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Old 07-19-2011, 12:38 AM   #1
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What rounds should I get.....

If a bear decides to help himself to my tasty trout?

The wife and I are going camping this weekend, and it's dead summer, so bears and other critters are out and about. I'm going to pick up a 12gauge this week (deciding between the 870 and the Supernova) and just wondering what I would need to make a bear go away? Never hunted before, so I have no clue what I need to put one down, or at least, get it the hell away.

Also, does anyone know, do you need a hunting license if you are just taking a gun with you for protection? (State will 90% be PA, but maybe 10% NJ, I havent booked a site yet.)

Thanks for any insight.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:41 AM   #2
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:52 AM   #3
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slugs require you to be able to focus in a time where adrenaline will be present, whereas something like '00 buck would allow you to point and shoot and have a good chance at hitting your target.

if you are buying your first shotgun, you aren't going to have enough trigger time with the weapon to use it efficiently in a hostile situation, so i would choose '00 buck for you.

if you are going to shoot slugs, you need to get a barrel without a choke.
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Give up the trout. They're the toffu of the fish kingdom anyways.
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:03 AM   #5
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Give up the trout. They're the toffu of the fish kingdom anyways.
Well, Bass would be better, but apparently, the trout are in PLENTIFUL supply. To my surprise, the PA lakes/streams are stocked with tons of species, but the chances of a trout biting are MUCH higher.

I figured 00buck would work. PA and the north east for the most part has a black bear population, which is a much smaller variety than those in the Sierras which are the big mamma jammas. Me thinks 00 will deter one if necessary. You are right about the practice. I have shot shotguns before, but it has been a while, so I think the 00 is a safer bet.

On a side note, any of you guys have a clue about a nice lake campsite in PA?
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Well, Bass would be better, but apparently, the trout are in PLENTIFUL supply. To my surprise, the PA lakes/streams are stocked with tons of species, but the chances of a trout biting are MUCH higher.
Don't get me wrong, I love trout fishing (gets me through to the next tuna season) but I'd give the fish to the bear before I'd mess around with trying to shoot him. With that said the only dealing I've had with bears was in the Sierras at night. Sitting around the campfire and a smaller bear started sniffing around the picnic table about 6 to 8 feet away. I was stirring the fire with a small log and jumped up and started making a bunch of noise mainly cause he scared the bejebus out of me. It was kind of funny because the bear had to stand up on his hind legs to turn around as he was sorta wedged between the picnic table and a tree. It was most likely a juvenile bear that was so interested in the food on the table that it didn't even notice us sitting there.
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Then say "GET OFF MY LAWN" to the bear.

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I think you'd be better of to focus more on learning:

90%: Gun Laws in respective states
5% : Camp Site
5% : Type of weapon

NY and NJ.... lol forget about it
PA I can help you out with.

Do you possess a CCW or LTCF in either NY, NJ or PA? How are you planning on transporting the weapon from NY to PA and NJ? I say "weapon" because depending on where you are and what you are doing a shotgun may or may not be a "firearm".

Will you be on public or private camping grounds? State, local or national parks?

That being said, I wouldn't bring a shotgun camping. Even though you might be "legal" in doing so once in PA according to gun laws, you might get arrested or cited for "hunting". Just getting caught with a rifle or shotgun while in the woods can be taken as hunting. I'd bring something more believable to be for self protection, like a handgun. But again, I don't know how you'd legally get it here.
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S&W 500 instead, but for a novice that will be way too much gun.
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Is your woman going to be menstruating? Bears can smell it.

I'd say '00 buck or slug. Or if you get a pistol anything over a 40 or 357 with a hallow point should take him down.

BUT

you are a new shooter, I would highly recommend learning to use, clean, repair your weapons before you have it on you to save your life. That new gun you buy might only be as useful as a club if you don't know how to use it properly.
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If its a shotgun, you need to use a slug. 00 Buck won't give you the assured penetration that you would need in the event you had to blast a larger bear. All guides that I have ever met that carry a shotgun into the bush for anti-bear/anti-moose have been loaded with high velocity slugs.
If you choose a handgun, a heavier revolver is ideal. Anything in the .44Mag or heavier categories will work. The most common rounds right now for revolver bear hunting is .460S&W, .500S&W, .480Ruger and .454Casull. The only auto loading round sufficient is the .50AE.
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If a bear decides to help himself to my tasty trout?

The wife and I are going camping this weekend, and it's dead summer, so bears and other critters are out and about. I'm going to pick up a 12gauge this week (deciding between the 870 and the Supernova) and just wondering what I would need to make a bear go away? Never hunted before, so I have no clue what I need to put one down, or at least, get it the hell away.

Also, does anyone know, do you need a hunting license if you are just taking a gun with you for protection? (State will 90% be PA, but maybe 10% NJ, I havent booked a site yet.)

Thanks for any insight.
Whatever you decide, make sure you can hit what you are aiming at. You are better off with a .22 than a .50 if you can't hit anything with the .50.
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OMFG, I just pooped myself. That bitch was HAULIN!

I wouldn't carry anything less than a 44 mag. If I had my preference- it'd be a Shotgun with slugs. That's what alaskan wildlife rangers carry.
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Anyone wanna bet he didn't fire a warning shot in the water in front of the bear on purpose.

I live in FL and only smaller black bears around so I depend on my CCW. I worry more about a charging boar(they are everywhere).

I also wouldn't want to be caught in the woods with a rifle and without a hunting license.
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Yea, I decided against the guns. Although I think it's stupid to force non hunters to have a hunting license (it was my understanding that hunting licenses are NOT for guns, but to keep track of animals with paperwork) I just want to have to prove to these idiots that I am NOT hunting. I just got a few cans of bear mace and hopefully be ok. The black bears around here aren't nearly as big as JJs video, so, fingers crossed. If anything, I'll fight the bastard with my knife.
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