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Old 11-06-2012, 12:51 PM   #241
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:53 PM   #242
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OK Lets start fresh from square 1

I have NEVER said that there was a difference in the 712 tagged racks THERE IS NOT...... NUFF said a 712 rack is a 712 rack

WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY if you will stop long enough to read

There were 3 different racks used on the 330

1 a TRW rack this rack was manufactured by TRW and has NO TAG rack is stamped T R W

2. A purple 678 tag rack with 3 turns

3 a yellow 712 Tag rack also with 3 turns

I questioned what is the difference between the 678 tag and the 712 tag and was told the torsion bars were different giving a different feel. (not going to post the same dirty pictures all over again)

The gear in the 678 tag and the 712 tag are slightly different as well

Based on the 100's - 1000's of cores returned from customers based on what they order and tag numbers given to me on the phone on top of countless hours at core suppliers (where racks are tagged from junk yards) and hours buying cores in junk yards over 26 years. this is the data I have come up with.

What I have seen is anyone who has claimed to have a ZHP has ALWAYS sent in a 712 rack as a core apparently there were other packages as well that shared this rack I have even had a 712 rack returned from a 323

Yes I agree the 678 tag was also used in the 325 that would be why they have the same part number on my site as well (hmmmmmm weird)

If people are so inclined to believe that there is ONE rack and Only One rack used in every 330 so be it. If you would like the addresses for all of the customers that sent back other racks rather than that of the 712 rack from their 330s so you can go beat them to death with a baseball bat ........... well I can't help you there.

I find it a little funny how after 2 full hours of research you (Mr. Mango) have become angry, I have to wonder if you had done this for 25 + years how you would feel ?

This bickering is just one big circle and the facts have been very confusing, one would wonder if this is intentional just to move the forum up in google searches.

The racks I "WAS" intending to break down were the 678 tag vs the 712 tag and never the 712 vs the 712, they are the same to think otherwise would be silly. I don't think this was EVER a debate. I was simply trying to convey that from all of my resources physically touching, holding, handling, building, and sometimes cuddling with rack and pinions as well as discussions with other builders also in the industry for 25 + years that there were 3 rack and pinions used on the 330's

1. a TRW Rack (rack is stamped T R W )
2. Purple 678 tagged racks
3. Yellow Tag Tagged Racks


To answer an earlier question there is another yellow tag this was on the earlier 330 (2001) and was tag Number 599 this would be the same as the 643 tag (silver) a 3.4 turn unit.

I feel that regardless of any information posted it will turn into some end of the world debate. If I were to state that the pinion was splined, someone would argue that it was not really splined it was broached and splines are made from a broaching machine so they are not called splines ...........

Once again I was simply trying to help and seems some people get it and some don't... I am only posting again to point out that I DID NOT claim the 712 racks were different only that there were different racks on the 330 models if I have not explained this well enough then I am sorry.

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Old 11-06-2012, 02:15 PM   #243
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WOW I mean WOW

OK Lets start fresh from square 1

I have NEVER said that there was a difference in the 712 tagged racks THERE IS NOT...... NUFF said a 712 rack is a 712 rack

WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY if you will stop long enough to read

There were 3 different racks used on the 330

1 a TRW rack this rack was manufactured by TRW and has NO TAG rack is stamped T R W

2. A purple 678 tag rack with 3 turns

3 a yellow 712 Tag rack also with 3 turns

I questioned what is the difference between the 678 tag and the 712 tag and was told the torsion bars were different giving a different feel. (not going to post the same dirty pictures all over again)

The gear in the 678 tag and the 712 tag are slightly different as well

Based on the 100's - 1000's of cores returned from customers based on what they order and tag numbers given to me on the phone on top of countless hours at core suppliers (where racks are tagged from junk yards) and hours buying cores in junk yards over 26 years. this is the data I have come up with.

What I have seen is anyone who has claimed to have a ZHP has ALWAYS sent in a 712 rack as a core apparently there were other packages as well that shared this rack I have even had a 712 rack returned from a 323

Yes I agree the 678 tag was also used in the 325 that would be why they have the same part number on my site as well (hmmmmmm weird)

If people are so inclined to believe that there is ONE rack and Only One rack used in every 330 so be it. If you would like the addresses for all of the customers that sent back other racks rather than that of the 712 rack from their 330s so you can go beat them to death with a baseball bat ........... well I can't help you there.

I find it a little funny how after 2 full hours of research you (Mr. Mango) have become angry, I have to wonder if you had done this for 25 + years how you would feel ?

This bickering is just one big circle and the facts have been very confusing, one would wonder if this is intentional just to move the forum up in google searches.

The racks I "WAS" intending to break down were the 678 tag vs the 712 tag and never the 712 vs the 712, they are the same to think otherwise would be silly. I don't think this was EVER a debate. I was simply trying to convey that from all of my resources physically touching, holding, handling, building, and sometimes cuddling with rack and pinions as well as discussions with other builders also in the industry for 25 + years that there were 3 rack and pinions used on the 330's

1. a TRW Rack (rack is stamped T R W )
2. Purple 678 tagged racks
3. Yellow Tag Tagged Racks


To answer an earlier question there is another yellow tag this was on the earlier 330 (2001) and was tag Number 599 this would be the same as the 643 tag (silver) a 3.4 turn unit.

I feel that regardless of any information posted it will turn into some end of the world debate. If I were to state that the pinion was splined, someone would argue that it was not really splined it was broached and splines are made from a broaching machine so they are not called splines ...........

Once again I was simply trying to help and seems some people get it and some don't... I am only posting again to point out that I DID NOT claim the 712 racks were different only that there were different racks on the 330 models if I have not explained this well enough then I am sorry.

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You should have said that in your original post. This is exactly what we (Alex323ci, Terraphntm, and myself) have been saying all along.

The 330i ZHP does not have a unique rack. Case closed! Thanks!

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Old 11-06-2012, 02:21 PM   #244
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You should have said that in your original post. This is exactly what we (Alex323ci, Terraphntm, and myself) have been saying all along.

The 330i ZHP does not have a unique rack. Case closed! Thanks!

OK and the ZHP only used the 712 rack where the 330's had 3 different racks !!!!
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OK and the ZHP only used the 712 rack where the 330's had 3 different racks !!!!
Yes there were certainly three different racks for 330s in general. TRW, 678 purple tag, and 712 yellow tag. The first two were also used in other E46s such as 316, 318, 320, 323, 325, 328, and 330 while the 712 is specific to both 9/01+ 330 and the ZHP (which also falls into the 9/01+ range because it's a 2003MY car)
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:47 PM   #246
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OK and the ZHP only used the 712 rack where the 330's had 3 different racks !!!!
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Yes there were certainly three different racks for 330s in general. TRW, 678 purple tag, and 712 yellow tag. The first two were also used in other E46s such as 316, 318, 320, 323, 325, 328, and 330 while the 712 is specific to both 9/01+ 330 and the ZHP (which also falls into the 9/01+ range because it's a 2003MY car)
stop, mango. just stop. listen to "the rack doctor." re-read all his posts in this thread. then, before you post again, re-read them again.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:50 PM   #247
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You should have said that in your original post. This is exactly what we (Alex323ci, Terraphntm, and myself) have been saying all along.

The 330i ZHP does not have a unique rack. Case closed! Thanks!

Yeah, but you were also saying there was only one rack for 330's produced after MY 09/01, thanks to your part number "research" on realOEM. Any comments on that?
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:00 PM   #248
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You should have said that in your original post. This is exactly what we (Alex323ci, Terraphntm, and myself) have been saying all along.

The 330i ZHP does not have a unique rack. Case closed! Thanks!

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Yes there were certainly three different racks for 330s in general. TRW, 678 purple tag, and 712 yellow tag. The first two were also used in other E46s such as 316, 318, 320, 323, 325, 328, and 330 while the 712 is specific to both 9/01+ 330 and the ZHP (which also falls into the 9/01+ range because it's a 2003MY car)
HOLY CRAP! mango you just don't get it so STOP! everyone else seems to understand what he is saying except you!


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stop, mango. just stop. listen to "the rack doctor." re-read all his posts in this thread. then, before you post again, re-read them again.
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Yeah, but you were also saying there was only one rack for 330's produced after MY 09/01, thanks to your part number "research" on realOEM. Any comments on that?
That is still my opinion. I don't see why BMW would have a boatload of racks to install on one particular model past a certain build date. So we'll trust RealOEM on the 4-ribbed belt vs. 5-rib belt and every other 9/01+ part change EXCEPT for the steering rack debacle? So far, if you look for racks on eBay, all the yellow tag 712 racks are 9/01+ date stamped and did you see the 8/01 date stamp i posted?

Yeah. It's purple.

Yeah I know Rich posted a 678 MY04 rack, but like I said that could have been from a 325.
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That is still my opinion. I don't see why BMW would have a boatload of racks to install on one particular model past a certain build date. So we'll trust RealOEM on the 4-ribbed belt vs. 5-rib belt and every other 9/01+ part change EXCEPT for the steering rack debacle? So far, if you look for racks on eBay, all the yellow tag 712 racks are 9/01+ date stamped and did you see the 8/01 date stamp i posted?

Yeah. It's purple.

Yeah I know Rich posted a 678 MY04 rack, but like I said that could have been from a 325.
**** you looked up on eBay one day vs. 25 years of experience in disassembling and reassembling steering racks.

Hmmm...I wonder who to believe...

Look. Here's all he is saying.

ZHPs are guaranteed to come with the 712 rack. They will have it, no matter what.

A 330 may or may not have a 712 rack, it has not determined how or why it is. Standard 330s might have the 712 rack, but over the years, they have had three different possible racks, while the ZHP has had one and only one style rack. He's seen a 712 come from a 323i, while he's seen a 678 come from a 330i.
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**** you looked up on eBay one day vs. 25 years of experience in disassembling and reassembling steering racks.

Hmmm...I wonder who to believe...

Look. Here's all he is saying.

ZHPs are guaranteed to come with the 712 rack. They will have it, no matter what.

A 330 may or may not have a 712 rack, it has not determined how or why it is. Standard 330s might have the 712 rack, but over the years, they have had three different possible racks, while the ZHP has had one and only one style rack. He's seen a 712 come from a 323i, while he's seen a 678 come from a 330i.
this. f u c k i n g this
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**** you looked up on eBay one day vs. 25 years of experience in disassembling and reassembling steering racks.

Hmmm...I wonder who to believe...

Look. Here's all he is saying.

ZHPs are guaranteed to come with the 712 rack. They will have it, no matter what.

A 330 may or may not have a 712 rack, it has not determined how or why it is. Standard 330s might have the 712 rack, but over the years, they have had three different possible racks, while the ZHP has had one and only one style rack. He's seen a 712 come from a 323i, while he's seen a 678 come from a 330i.
Uh. you don't know what you are saying. you are missing the point. you and everyone else attacking me are arguing my same point. YOU guys were the one claiming your ZHPs have a special rack. now you are conveniently ignoring that YOU were wrong and redirecting your anger elsewhere.

My stance has been the same, has not been changed, and has been proven to be correct.

fact: you are permanently on my ignore list now. i have little to no tolerance for inability to understand simple things especially when its combined with swear words and anger.

As everyone always said, 9/01+, RealOEM specifies a different rack. To date, we haven't seen evidence otherwise.

I'll put some more 9/01+ 330s on a lift.
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i never claimed my zhp had a speical rack. mango, you keep saying i said/posted this, but there is no posts in this thread, or on zhpmafia, or anywhere to prove your false accusation. just seriously shut up, please.
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stop, mango. just stop. listen to "the rack doctor." re-read all his posts in this thread. then, before you post again, re-read them again.
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ZHP does not have a unique rack. End of story.
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i never claimed my zhp had a speical rack. mango, you keep saying i said/posted this, but there is no posts in this thread, or on zhpmafia, or anywhere to prove your false accusation. just seriously shut up, please.
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please, just focus on these posts. you're delusional
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classic. gets proven wrong, then leaves and says "i'm done here."

that's the low road, in my opinion, to owning up to what you thought you knew. high road would be to say, yes, i was wrong, or yes, i have more to learn.
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classic. gets proven wrong, then leaves and says "i'm done here."

that's the low road, in my opinion, to owning up to what you thought you knew. high road would be to say, yes, i was wrong, or yes, i have more to learn.
no, mango knows everything about this because he has the 712 rack and access to realoem. just like he know everything about K&N filters because he owned one for a week and didn't see a 10% increase in power.

can we please get mango out of this thread? he keeps posting worthless garbage saying he's right about some crap! rack doctor has posted some very useful info that has been unknown until now and mango has to come in here and act like he knows something when, even though the facts are literally in front of his face, continues to make a fool of himself. holy crap
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no, mango knows everything about this because he has the 712 rack and access to realoem. just like he know everything about K&N filters because he owned one for a week and didn't see a 10% increase in power.

can we please get mango out of this thread? he keeps posting worthless garbage saying he's right about some crap! rack doctor has posted some very useful info that has been unknown until now and mango has to come in here and act like he knows something when, even though the facts are literally in front of his face, continues to make a fool of himself. holy crap
cheers, peyton. i agree. i actually think mango has admin/mod friends. i had several posts deleted today because i don't agree with mango. sad story is, tomorrow, he'll still be regarded as teh e46 expert. people take his opinion as fact. opinions are opinions. rack doctor has more facts. that, albeit ironic, is my opinion
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