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Old 11-26-2012, 03:48 PM   #1281
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I thought the same thing 2 months back when I began front squatting with 65 lbs. Read it again........65 lbs. Now 225 lbs. is easy for me! I've been on a steady climb, but I also lift differently than you do. I look to better my max lifted the prior week by a minimum of 5 lbs., but I shoot for 10 lbs. when I'm feeling especially energetic (..so in any given month my max weight lifted for 3-5 reps increases by 20-40 lbs.). That may be the reason behind your much slower gains in terms of sheer lifting ability.
Do you attribute any of that to strength you already possessed though? Not disagreeing with your method whatsoever, I just know personally if I was trying to improve my back squat for example and was adding 5-10 lbs each week I would hit a wall eventually (as I did with starting strength).

I'm curious to know if an individual took in 5-6k calories a day if they would encounter the same wall, or just see constant strength increases week in and week out
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:01 PM   #1282
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Do you attribute any of that to strength you already possessed though? Not disagreeing with your method whatsoever, I just know personally if I was trying to improve my back squat for example and was adding 5-10 lbs each week I would hit a wall eventually (as I did with starting strength).

I'm curious to know if an individual took in 5-6k calories a day if they would encounter the same wall, or just see constant strength increases week in and week out

Yes, but the same could (..and probably does) also apply to you.....and/or DylloS. I had untapped potential. You guys do as well, you're just not tapping into it effectively. We all hit a point where the numbers increase at a slower rate. Five pounds a week is almost imperceptible when you really think about it.

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Old 11-26-2012, 04:12 PM   #1283
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Do you attribute any of that to strength you already possessed though? Not disagreeing with your method whatsoever, I just know personally if I was trying to improve my back squat for example and was adding 5-10 lbs each week I would hit a wall eventually (as I did with starting strength).

I'm curious to know if an individual took in 5-6k calories a day if they would encounter the same wall, or just see constant strength increases week in and week out
With 5-6k calories a day you could likely add 5lbs every week on your squat and DL for 6 months depending on starting point.

Assuming a normal sized adult male, that training strategy should get pretty much everyone to a 350lb squat and a 400lb DL.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:17 PM   #1284
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With 5-6k calories a day you could likely add 5lbs every week on your squat and DL for 6 months depending on starting point.

Assuming a normal sized adult male, that training strategy should get pretty much everyone to a 350lb squat and a 400lb DL.

Agreed!
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:27 PM   #1285
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:34 PM   #1286
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But as with all things good in life, they come at a price.

Yeah but even with eating that many calories you're not gonna get FAT if you're training hard and do a small amount of conditioning. Maybe 20% BF at most. There will be some trial and error to see how much you need to eat to support your gains, but I think it will be much more efficient in the long run than doing the mini cuts and mini bulks that have talked about doing.

With doing that you are going to be switching up programs way to often to see any real gains. Stick with a program for 3 months minimum before evaluating results IMO.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:47 PM   #1287
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Agree with glight. Just eat and eat and eat. Up the intensity in the workouts if you think you are gonna get far. But it takes a long time for that to happen. Certainly more then a couple months.

There are a lot of mental barriers with lifting as well as perfecting form. I really just don't get scared of weight. I don't really lift to put up big numbers. It's nice but at the end of the day, nothing can surpass progress.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:53 PM   #1288
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Yeah but even with eating that many calories you're not gonna get FAT if you're training hard and do a small amount of conditioning. Maybe 20% BF at most. There will be some trial and error to see how much you need to eat to support your gains, but I think it will be much more efficient in the long run than doing the mini cuts and mini bulks that have talked about doing.

With doing that you are going to be switching up programs way to often to see any real gains. Stick with a program for 3 months minimum before evaluating results IMO.
I agree completely... I'm one of the worst when it comes to switching things up. Always seeking something new to do when I haven't finished what I started previously. I decided to stick to a 3 month cut, and finish the "lean" part of my goal, so I have a visual reference point to go off of when I start eating a ton of calories again. Wish I could just bulk and not care about what happens... but I just know I can't
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:00 PM   #1289
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I agree completely... I'm one of the worst when it comes to switching things up. Always seeking something new to do when I haven't finished what I started previously. I decided to stick to a 3 month cut, and finish the "lean" part of my goal, so I have a visual reference point to go off of when I start eating a ton of calories again. Wish I could just bulk and not care about what happens... but I just know I can't
Have you ever been really fat before? I hear this same thing (bolded) quite frequently from people that have been pretty overweight in the past. Pardon lack of being PC, its the internet....

How far into the cut are you? If you have much more than a few weeks to go, I would just say fvck it and start bulking. You can always cut down later, no point wasting time and doing it now and getting cut while having less muscle than you want (IMO of course).
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:03 PM   #1290
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; I don't really lift to put up big numbers.
Says the guy who continually puts up big numbers. Hahah good job on your new pr man. I also got a new pr on power clean last week although small poyatoes compared to you I finally hit 205. Keep up the good work man. Your numbers are motivating!

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Old 11-26-2012, 05:05 PM   #1291
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End of summer/fall/ beginning of winter=bulk
End of winter/Spring/season = cut
Summer I mix it up and maintain.

Biggest reason I bulk in the fall is because of baseball, but holidays help a lot as well.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:09 PM   #1292
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Says the guy who continually puts up big numbers. Hahah good job on your new pr man. I also got a new pr on power clean last week although small poyatoes compared to you I finally hit 205. Keep up the good work man. Your numbers are motivating!
Thanks man! It's cool to see progress, numbers just go along with it.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:15 PM   #1293
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Have you ever been really fat before? I hear this same thing (bolded) quite frequently from people that have been pretty overweight in the past. Pardon lack of being PC, its the internet....

How far into the cut are you? If you have much more than a few weeks to go, I would just say fvck it and start bulking. You can always cut down later, no point wasting time and doing it now and getting cut while having less muscle than you want (IMO of course).
Depends on your definition of "fat". I was over 20% bodyfat after my first real "bulk"... I gained strength and got compliments, but I put weight on in the worst places (probably like most guys) in the face / gut / love handles. I hated it. My gf hated it too. Happened to a slightly lesser extent last winter as well. I've always been great at adhering to proper foods / gym when cutting... but I can't seem to get it together when trying to add mass (at least the past two years). If I ate properly and worked out 4 times a week + a night of hockey, I doubt the fat gain would get to that point again. But it still lingers in the back of my head, and its directly because of that I feel the need to cut down to a solid reference point.

My cut is lasting until xmas, because my gf (who I live with and eat most meals with) wants to lose 5 lbs, so it works best when we are both on same page. She can kick rocks after xmas though, I want/need size... I do get that.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:15 PM   #1294
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Thanks man! It's cool to see progress, numbers just go along with it.
I would label them interchangeable really. Higher numbers generally equate to progress.........progress generally equates to higher numbers. It's the easiest, most tangible method of measurement.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:18 PM   #1295
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Depends on your definition of "fat". I was over 20% bodyfat after my first real "bulk"... I gained strength and got compliments, but I put weight on in the worst places (probably like most guys) in the face / gut / love handles. I hated it. My gf hated it too. Happened to a slightly lesser extent last winter as well. I've always been great at adhering to proper foods / gym when cutting... but I can't seem to get it together when trying to add mass (at least the past two years). If I ate properly and worked out 4 times a week + a night of hockey, I doubt the fat gain would get to that point again. But it still lingers in the back of my head, and its directly because of that I feel the need to cut down to a solid reference point.

My cut is lasting until xmas, because my gf (who I live with and eat most meals with) wants to lose 5 lbs, so it works best when we are both on same page. She can kick rocks after xmas though, I want/need size... I do get that.
You're not adding mass because you're too concerned with body fat, and the lack of mass is affecting your strength gains. Yes, you're improving, but at a much slower rate than what you're likely capable of. I'd hate to read this thread at this time next year, and still see you posting about not reaching goals that are attainable while others around you continue(d) to improve.

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Old 11-26-2012, 05:30 PM   #1296
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You're not adding mass because you're too concerned with body fat, and the lack of mass is affecting your strength gains. Yes, you're improving, but at a much slower rate than what you're likely capable of. I'd hate to read this thread at this time next year, and still see you posting about not reaching goals that are attainable while others around you continue(d) to improve.
I know... I hate it. Go read my progress thread... its exactly that. One step forward, two steps back. Very frustrating. I committed to this cut, so I guess I will see what progress I can make before end of dec. Then I will honestly listen to what pretty much everyone has told me here and go for the mass gains I know I can achieve. In a weird way I feel like I'm letting someone down... yet I've never met anyone on here. Good to be held accountable at least.

It's good to have it in writing, because the last thing I want is someone quoting the above if I'm flip flopping in a couple of months...
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:35 PM   #1297
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I know... I hate it. Go read my progress thread... its exactly that. One step forward, two steps back. Very frustrating. I committed to this cut, so I guess I will see what progress I can make before end of dec. Then I will honestly listen to what pretty much everyone has told me here and go for the mass gains I know I can achieve. In a weird way I feel like I'm letting someone down... yet I've never met anyone on here. Good to be held accountable at least.

It's good to have it in writing, because the last thing I want is someone quoting the above if I'm flip flopping in a couple of months...
F the cut! It's getting you nowhere fast.
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I thought the same thing 2 months back when I began front squatting with 65 lbs. Read it again........65 lbs. Now 225 lbs. is easy for me! I've been on a steady climb, but I also lift differently than you do. I look to better my max lifted the prior week by a minimum of 5 lbs., but I shoot for 10 lbs. when I'm feeling especially energetic (..so in any given month my max weight lifted for 3-5 reps increases by 20-40 lbs.). That may be the reason behind your much slower gains in terms of sheer lifting ability.





I need to fuucking eat more. Ill be upping and sticking with it starting tonight. I should have about an 1100 calorie dinner and 700 before bed shake

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I know... I hate it. Go read my progress thread... its exactly that. One step forward, two steps back. Very frustrating. I committed to this cut, so I guess I will see what progress I can make before end of dec. Then I will honestly listen to what pretty much everyone has told me here and go for the mass gains I know I can achieve. In a weird way I feel like I'm letting someone down... yet I've never met anyone on here. Good to be held accountable at least.

It's good to have it in writing, because the last thing I want is someone quoting the above if I'm flip flopping in a couple of months...
I will set a 3 month timer and quote this just for you.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:28 PM   #1300
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changed my workout a bit, did a friend's heavy/grip lifting day workout for fun

***no superset other than 5 pushups/20 sit ups between every set***

BB deadlift 5x5 at 395lbs
BB ass-to-grass squats 3x15 at 225
BB box squats 5x3 at 335
BB flat bench 5x3 at 315lbs
BB shrugs 5x5 at 405lbs
full extension hanging pull ups 5x3, attention to form and keeping it slow
BB standing curl-to-push press at 145lbs

I really struggled with those curl-to-push press. Was dead tired at that point.

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