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Old 02-20-2012, 05:54 PM   #381
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The point of failure is the crimped connector - the wire itself can handle the load fine. So by splicing in another wire and grounding it on that tab, you're taking some load off the original crimp.
oh...that makes better sense. thanks again TerraPhantm!
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:56 PM   #382
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Here's what happens... You are right... ALL the lights ground throught the brown ground wire. But what happens is that the ground wire generates heat and melts the plug connector(See the pic?) and then has a sporadic ground issue... Hence the dash lights!

So... You can either remove the brown ground wire from the plug (As the link shows) and add a spade connector and ground to the frame or splice in an additional ground into the brown prior to the plug (I think that's what BMW does) or from another ground source (That's what I did) and then ground the bulb frame. By doing that it negates any heating of the brown ground wire and there is always a ground so there are no sporadic dash lights as the ground is ALWAYS grounded now.

Does that make sense?
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:02 PM   #383
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Here's what happens... You are right... ALL the lights ground throught the brown ground wire. But what happens is that the ground wire generates heat and melts the plug connector(See the pic?) and then has a sporadic ground issue... Hence the dash lights!

So... You can either remove the brown ground wire from the plug (As the link shows) and add a spade connector and ground to the frame or splice in an additional ground into the brown prior to the plug (I think that's what BMW does) or from another ground source (That's what I did) and then ground the bulb frame. By doing that it negates any heating of the brown ground wire and there is always a ground so there are no sporadic dash lights as the ground is ALWAYS grounded now.

Does that make sense?
got it. it made sense. i will post a picture of my melted plug and bulb carrier soon. what a joke and so dangerous
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:09 PM   #384
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here are my pix to show the damages due to this design flaw





I hope this will help anyone out there. Good luck!
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:10 PM   #385
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Yup... Mine looked exactly the same... But I guess all of ours do!
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:41 PM   #386
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Finally got my second letter stating my dealer now has the parts to perform the recall.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:24 PM   #387
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How long does the repair take?

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Old 02-20-2012, 08:27 PM   #388
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my dealer has always let me have a courtesy car even though it isnt under warranty but i am supposed to have my done on wednesday and they said it shouldnt take more than an hour to have it done.

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Old 02-20-2012, 08:37 PM   #389
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Finally got my second letter stating my dealer now has the parts to perform the recall.
Yeah... I just got my 2nd or 3rd one... They say they will reimburse me for the cost of the repair... I wonder if I should whip up a RO and try for reimbursement!
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:40 AM   #390
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I wonder how can we get BMW to repair and acknowledge the faulty cheap ZHP sedan headlights with the burnt bowls? I believe the same or similar reason appears to apply to the headlights as they used it for the brake light issue..

( "Description of Problem" The issue involves the rear lamps on your vehicle. Specially, it involves the portion of the lamp in the vehicle's rear quarter panel. Due to material specification and eviromental factors, one or more lamp functions tail, brake, turn-signal within the rear quarter panel may stop working. Please note that the other portion of the rear lamp, in the vehicles trunk lid is not affected. Do not leave this problem unattended. Depending on traffic and road conditions and the driver's reactions, this could increase the risk of a crash.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:38 PM   #391
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I had this fixed by a local garage a few months ago for $150. I will bring it to a dealer to have the other side fixed, but has anyone had any success getting reimbursement?
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:28 PM   #392
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My driver side tail light was going out, melted like all the pics. I called BMW, they ran the vin and said no recall. So I replaced it myself ($120 later ) So now, two months later, I get a letter in the mail saying parts are here and your car is part of the recall! Never even got a FIRST letter
Will call soon and see about being reibursed, not sure how that will work since I bought the parts and did the work myself. Any truth to BOTH sides needing to be done?
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:01 PM   #393
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I had this fixed by a local garage a few months ago for $150. I will bring it to a dealer to have the other side fixed, but has anyone had any success getting reimbursement?
150?

I know nothing about electrical / mechanical parts that much and I changed this out in 10 minutes. I think I spent $5 bucks.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:51 AM   #394
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150?

I know nothing about electrical / mechanical parts that much and I changed this out in 10 minutes. I think I spent $5 bucks.
Yeah, I didn't know the issue was so widespread at the time. I'm at the end of the line with my car, I haven't really been keeping up with the news or forums. When there's a significant problem, I bring it in to fix it, otherwise, hope nothing serious comes up before I sell it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #395
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My driver side tail light was going out, melted like all the pics. I called BMW, they ran the vin and said no recall. So I replaced it myself ($120 later ) So now, two months later, I get a letter in the mail saying parts are here and your car is part of the recall! Never even got a FIRST letter
Will call soon and see about being reibursed, not sure how that will work since I bought the parts and did the work myself. Any truth to BOTH sides needing to be done?
Ok, so here's the info I got today from Will @ BMW NA...

Both sides need to be repaired. If a repair was made prior to you getting the letter, bring the receipt to the dealership with your recall letter and they will submit for reimbursement to BMW.

This is for Recall 11V-438
BMW North America: 800.525.7417

I guess I better swap out my leaky oil seperator before I head to the dealer
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:20 PM   #396
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Installed led bulbs with grounding in my oem clear tails- 04 xi sedan. Just received the letter and called dealer to ask about aftermarket lenses and they said they would still fix it per recall. I am just wondering if it is necessary to have done if led bulbs were wired up previously. Anyone in this position?
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:47 PM   #397
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Amazing.

This happened to my left rear taillight a few years back. My car was still on Certified Pre-Owned warranty at the time. The service manager at the dealership decided that it wasn't going to be covered and told me it would be $250 to repair it.

I went back and made my point that the CPO warranty very clearly stated that "electrical" issues were covered. Since there was a clearly defective ground and a burned out connector I told him the onus was on them to comply with the warranty.

They fixed it.

Know your warranty. http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...warranty2.aspx
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:38 AM   #398
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?? About Recall

I have a 2004 325 I Sedan. My taillights have experienced this ground issue as confirmed by my dealer last Wednesday. They say my car is not part of the recall. Does anyone know why it wouldn't? And how can I get them to cover it? They are telling me it is $311 to fix the issue.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:53 PM   #399
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i ran the fixes myself prior with a DIY on this site..
took no time and everything was good
i now have EE LED tails but i guess they have their own wiring harness so it was not at all needed anymore haha
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:52 PM   #400
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I don't think i'm going to take mine in.

Hello I'm new here. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I got the notice in the mail but I'm not taking my car in. My car is 10 years old and the lights work fine. I'm not going to take it in and risk having a snot nosed young tech scratch the paint or get grease on the carpet. The fact that they are going to drill some random hole in a bracket to mount the ground wire is not thrilling either. The only thing I believe I'm missing out on is a free car wash which they usually provide with service. Do I sound like a yuppie or a certified E46 fanatic?
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