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Old 10-16-2011, 11:08 PM   #41
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Interested in the diff ratios and other details.

So many haters in this thread...jeez. Let the owner be
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:51 AM   #42
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Interested in the diff ratios and other details.

So many haters in this thread...jeez. Let the owner be
I think I probably appear as a hater; I think it's best if you just think of me as retarded!

I missed the 'sedan' and the 'four doors' and have no excuse other than just seeing the M3 and AWD and missing the way this was done. I'm sure it was done correctly and I hope the owner is happy with his car...and I also hope someone never takes an M and gives it AWD because I'm old and just think some things aren't right!

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Old 10-17-2011, 07:45 AM   #43
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yes im very interested to know what they did with the drivetrain? what suspension was used ext. i cant imagine the xi drivetrain will be able to hold all that power for very long... also stock brakes? with more power a brake upgrade is always a good idea
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:03 AM   #44
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Hand that thing over to HPF and let's see something truly nasty...

I want an N54 setup. I'll sell you half of my soul. Do we have a deal? If not, PM me an estimated price. If it's good enough, I'll make the trip up there and take a week off work.



"Just go buy a 335i/135i!"

No. I want something unique. Don't get me wrong... if I can't get a custom swap done in my E46, then I'll be purchasing a 335i as my next car. We never heard anything else from the guy doing the N54 swap from way back when, but I'm sure he's enjoying it now. I want it in my coupe, along with a 6-speed manual transmission. I estimate $20,000 for the swap... cheaper than a 335i. A local shop quoted me $20,000 for a fully functional LS1 swap in the Bimmer. Of course, they'd swap instrument clusters, computers, and just about everything else known to BMW. I'd basically be driving a Corvette with a BMW body.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:09 AM   #45
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Cool swap, but I doubt the AWD system will be able to cope with the power.

LOL @ people saying it's a handling advantage. BMW's AWD system isn't even that great (open diffs?), and I'd lay down money that a stock m3 would go around a track quicker. Added weight, complexity, and understeer...

Not hating, it's a cool idea. I just agree with dmax, it's not practical or really even desirable.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:34 AM   #46
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Doug I hear what you're saying, in some sense I agree. If BMW were to have made this car in AWD I probably wouldn't like it, because ///m's are supposed to be rwd sports cars, not awd rally cars.

BUT, I have to say since this is a completely custom job, it's completely original and I LOVE IT. And I would TOTALY take this out in a little bit of snow!
So I guess Lambo's and the Nissan GTR are "awd rally cars"??

Cool swap, now lets see some more HP!
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:02 AM   #47
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Cool swap, but I doubt the AWD system will be able to cope with the power.

LOL @ people saying it's a handling advantage. BMW's AWD system isn't even that great (open diffs?), and I'd lay down money that a stock m3 would go around a track quicker. Added weight, complexity, and understeer...

Not hating, it's a cool idea. I just agree with dmax, it's not practical or really even desirable.
I hope they put some lsd's in there
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:09 AM   #48
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Too bad they didn't give us more details. I doubt they did anything with the diffs so there is no point to add more power. Stock M3 engine is about all the rest of the drivetrain can hold.
If I ever lose my e46 wagon (M54B30 + ESS TS2.5) I will build e91 RWD wagon with N54.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:39 AM   #49
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Cool swap, but I doubt the AWD system will be able to cope with the power.

LOL @ people saying it's a handling advantage. BMW's AWD system isn't even that great (open diffs?), and I'd lay down money that a stock m3 would go around a track quicker. Added weight, complexity, and understeer...

Not hating, it's a cool idea. I just agree with dmax, it's not practical or really even desirable.
That's why I'm reserving judgment on this. Like most things, the devil is in the details.

AWD does have a traction advantage, but not so much with open diffs as you point out.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:41 AM   #50
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Too bad they didn't give us more details. I doubt they did anything with the diffs so there is no point to add more power. Stock M3 engine is about all the rest of the drivetrain can hold.
If I ever lose my e46 wagon (M54B30 + ESS TS2.5) I will build e91 RWD wagon with N54.
Too bad the only e91 wagons BMW sells in NA are 328i/xi.... I'd love to have 335d e91 wagon.....
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:38 AM   #51
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:03 PM   #52
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:47 PM   #53
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:17 PM   #54
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im looking at doing an s54 swap, only problem is. do you guys know of any insurance company that insures aftermarket work like this, it would really suck getting hit and being insured for just a stock 99 323i if you know what i mean.
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:54 PM   #55
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probably grip?
its very hard to get AWD to lose grip.
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AWD is a huge traction and handling advantage....
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LOL @ people saying it's a handling advantage. BMW's AWD system isn't even that great (open diffs?), and I'd lay down money that a stock m3 would go around a track quicker. Added weight, complexity, and understeer...

Not hating, it's a cool idea. I just agree with dmax, it's not practical or really even desirable.
Finally, someone talking sense... +1

One word - understeer. Unless, of course, there are low grip road conditions - snow, ice, gravel...

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Old 10-17-2011, 05:23 PM   #56
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Needs drop.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:47 PM   #57
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Well yeah, that's why they buy RWD cars...

Again, no.
Have you heard of the GTR or STi?
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Doug I hear what you're saying, in some sense I agree. If BMW were to have made this car in AWD I probably wouldn't like it, because ///m's are supposed to be rwd sports cars, not awd rally cars.

BUT, I have to say since this is a completely custom job, it's completely original and I LOVE IT. And I would TOTALY take this out in a little bit of snow!
You do know that BMW is making an All Wheel Drive F10 ///M5
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:03 PM   #60
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I'm sorry, but an AWD M? I'm not seeing it. I'm impressed you could do it, but sort of disappointed that someone would want to. For what it cost, he could have bought an F150 for driving in the snow...and he probably won't take the M out in the snow anyway.

Why would you want to lose an M by adding AWD to it? Is it just me thinking, 'what was owner thinking'?
Perfect example of a hater, Mabye u should crawl back in your cave and narrow minded world, u got no vision dude
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