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Old 10-17-2011, 10:22 PM   #61
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AWD is a huge traction and handling advantage.
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Again, no.
Wrong scarecrow. The piece you cut off from what you quoted:

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In motorsports AWD cars are given a horrible weight disadvantage because of their inherent traction advantage.
This is FACT. Every sanctioning body from the FIA to the ACO to IMSA have saddled AWD with significant weight disadvantage because of the inherent traction and handling advantages of AWD. In fact, AWD is essentially banned from most road course racing because of the advantages. Even with the ridiculous amounts of weight added to AWD cars, when the weather turns foul, the AWD cars are at a whole other level, usually by an order of magnitude. Search on the IMSA Audi AWD cars. O...M...G... I was at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course some 20 years ago (approx) when in the rain, the Audis, despite a HUGE weight disadvantage, just ran away from the field and disappeared.


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One word - understeer. Unless, of course, there are low grip road conditions - snow, ice, gravel...

Handling lesson no.1:


Yeah, that's it. A YouTube video convinces me.

That video is meaningless. With every car it matters more how the suspension of the particular car is set up and how it is actually driven. In the case of an AWD car, it also matters how the drivetrain is set up with diff splits and percentage of LSD lock-up.

I've driven all three types of car on a race track and actually raced RWD and FWD. I'll bet you didn't know you can actually set a FWD car to be VERY fast and set up to steer with the throttle. The cool thing about a well set up FWD car is that when you control the rear end with the throttle, you actually hammer the throttle down to keep the rear end in check. Yep, you're accelerating. I have first-hand experience with this. In a race. SCCA ITS Sentra SE-R.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:33 PM   #62
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I've driven all three types of car on a race track and actually raced RWD and FWD. I'll bet you didn't know you can actually set a RWD car to be VERY fast and set up to steer with the throttle. The cool thing about a well set up FWD car is that when you control the rear end with the throttle, you actually hammer the throttle down to keep the rear end in check. Yep, you're accelerating. I have first-hand experience with this. In a race. SCCA ITS Sentra SE-R.
Shhhhh Geo don't so to many good things about FWD. They might attack!
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:54 PM   #63
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Coming from an E46 325xi autocrossing to my M Coupe...I would really love front power to the wheels to help me pull through corners.

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Old 10-18-2011, 01:50 AM   #64
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So I guess Lambo's and the Nissan GTR are "awd rally cars"??

Cool swap, now lets see some more HP!
1 I've never heard of lambo's racing they're name is drowned out by Ferrari, although they're fvcking awesome
2 I agree with you, good point.

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You do know that BMW is making an All Wheel Drive F10 ///M5
yea... sigh. I'm sure it will be awesome but I don't know how I feel about it. I'll probably love it but still just doesn't feel right.

I also heard that they made the engine quieter in the new m5, but they made a synthetic engine noise to come out of the cars speakers, to give the driver more of a thrill... Don't worry I'm sure it pauses for phone calls on the blue tooth
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:53 AM   #65
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I think that was just a rumor. If its not, then I'm getting one.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:15 AM   #66
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Shhhhh Geo don't so to many good things about FWD. They might attack!
Bring it! I have a lot of FWD wheel to wheel racing experience, not just theory.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:14 PM   #67
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Bring it! I have a lot of FWD wheel to wheel racing experience, not just theory.
I used to race my 92 Jetta. After I drove my 330 though I found it more fun. But yea FWD is a different beast that allot people don't know how to use it correctly.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:21 PM   #68
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I think that was just a rumor. If its not, then I'm getting one.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:45 PM   #69
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Wheels are too big and the car is too high up. And why was there no camber?
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Old 10-18-2011, 01:08 PM   #70
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can someone just give us some facts on what this car has other than a m3 engine? PLEASE
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Old 10-18-2011, 01:16 PM   #71
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So they posted this thread about this car, then followed thru with ZERO details about it.

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Old 10-18-2011, 02:15 PM   #72
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Wheels are too big and the car is too high up. And why was there no camber?
I would guess its not lowered and the car supension is bone stock....Wheels are to big?
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:22 PM   #73
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Swap was not easy at all, yes it is 6 speed & ill post more pics and videos as time progresses. As far as the transfer case it has been modified, so are the axles all around. Which was the first question raised if the XI can hold the power of the M3 & I'm proud to say that there were 3 BMW CERTIFIED master Tech's were working on my swap. If anyone wants further info on this swap contact impressive auto center and they will be more than happy to help you out if interested in this swap.
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:46 PM   #74
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^will do, is there anywy you could pm me the final build cost?
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:01 PM   #75
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Ok wow just got all my questions answered... And these guys are good! If you think this car wont last your in for a surprise! Erod sweet car man i hope you enjoy that thing its a beast!!
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:05 PM   #76
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Ok wow just got all my questions answered... And these guys are good! If you think this car wont last your in for a surprise! Erod sweet car man i hope you enjoy that thing its a beast!!
ok well since no one else is giving info, maybe you can answer some of the many questions asked in the thread. Like differentials used.
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Answer our questions!! How much air pressure are you running in your tires?
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:05 PM   #78
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Maybe you guys shpuld just call the shop that made it
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:04 AM   #79
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Yeah, that's it. A YouTube video convinces me.
Facepalm all that you want... Being on youtube doesn't mean it isn't a video clip from one of two best European car shows.... You know Europe, right? That piece of land "across the pond", which actually exists (believe it or not).

Oh, for those starting to "believe" in FWD, here's another "just a youtube video":
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:28 PM   #80
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Facepalm all that you want... Being on youtube doesn't mean it isn't a video clip from one of two best European car shows.... You know Europe, right? That piece of land "across the pond", which actually exists (believe it or not).

Oh, for those starting to "believe" in FWD, here's another "just a youtube video":
You're biased to say the least. Lets watch the rest of that video.. Skip to 1:30

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