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Old 06-17-2016, 06:28 PM   #1
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Washington (CNN)Officials in an Alabama county refused to lower flags to half-staff to honor the victims of the Orlando mass shooting this week even after President Barack Obama and Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley ordered flags to be lowered.

iting the U.S. Flag Code, Baldwin County Commissioner Tucker Dorsey told CNN affiliate WPMI that while his "heart certainly goes out to the victims and their families," the incident "doesn't meet the test of the reason for the flag to be lowered."

Dorsey added that the code states that the flag is to be lowered on Memorial Day and to commemorate the deaths of government officials.


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Even if you hate the gays, it was still 49 americans killed in cold blood on american soil, the fact that they were gay has nothing to do with it in terms of lowering the flag. Those county assh0les should wrestle an ISIS alligator.
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(d) Particular days of display
The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on New Year's Day, January 1; Inauguration Day, January 20; Lincoln's Birthday, February 12; Washington's Birthday, third Monday in February; Easter Sunday (variable); Mother's Day, second Sunday in May; Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May; Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May; Flag Day, June 14; Independence Day, July 4; Labor Day, first Monday in September; Constitution Day, September 17; Columbus Day, second Monday in October; Navy Day, October 27; Veterans Day, November 11; Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November; Christmas Day, December 25; and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States; the birthdays of States (date of admission); and on State holidays.
The US code does prescribe "automatic" half-staff requirements (that dumbasses misinterpreted), but does not preclude additional times when it may be designated for flying at half-mast. I'd bet they complied with flying half-mast for other things not designated by the flag code though...


As a side note, Cole County in Missouri did the same https://mic.com/articles/146320/one-...ims#.8Lq5709Ka
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Are there any instances where they have lowered the flag to honor any nongovernmental deaths? Or are they consistent in following the letter of the law?
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I see the problem here:

"AL county refuses"

"AL county"

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Redneck fvcking assh0les... But hey, it's Alabama after all...
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I see the problem here:

"AL county refuses"

"AL county"

"AL"



Redneck fvcking assh0les... But hey, it's Alabama after all...
You know, since black people b!tch about preconceived bias, and gay people b!tch about preconceived bias, I am starting a movement to make being a southerner a protected class. I mean, nobody thinks twice about their bias against southerners because, hey, we deserve it, right!

And fvck among sh!t people, it is a flag raised at a level on the mast. Let's all get really pissed off because a flag isn't placed where we want it. ISIS is beheading people. More than 50% of Americans makes $33k/year or less, and we have a trade deficit more than most country's GDP. But let us spend days complaining about a flag in a state 2000 miles from most people where it matters zero in your daily lives.

Focus. Something the USA has lost.
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You know, since black people b!tch about preconceived bias, and gay people b!tch about preconceived bias, I am starting a movement to make being a southerner a protected class. I mean, nobody thinks twice about their bias against southerners because, hey, we deserve it, right!

And fvck among sh!t people, it is a flag raised at a level on the mast. Let's all get really pissed off because a flag isn't placed where we want it. ISIS is beheading people. More than 50% of Americans makes $33k/year or less, and we have a trade deficit more than most country's GDP. But let us spend days complaining about a flag in a state 2000 miles from most people where it matters zero in your daily lives.

Focus. Something the USA has lost.
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You know, since black people b!tch about preconceived bias, and gay people b!tch about preconceived bias, I am starting a movement to make being a southerner a protected class. I mean, nobody thinks twice about their bias against southerners because, hey, we deserve it, right!

And fvck among sh!t people, it is a flag raised at a level on the mast. Let's all get really pissed off because a flag isn't placed where we want it. ISIS is beheading people. More than 50% of Americans makes $33k/year or less, and we have a trade deficit more than most country's GDP. But let us spend days complaining about a flag in a state 2000 miles from most people where it matters zero in your daily lives.

Focus. Something the USA has lost.
While I dont disagree with what you said, we can walk and chew gum...you can be outraged with all of the above, and pay some respect to a national tragedy. You can also flip the issue...why are these Alabama weirdos going out of their way NOT to lower it. Send the fvcking guy outside, have him pull the rope on the pulley, and lower the flag. Who exactly is going to litigate their "ordinance violation?" We did lose focus on important issues....all sides forget when the fvck to stop. If you're a gay person, you forgot where to stop and you constantly attack christians. Blacks attack whites, and these idiots forgot when to stop in regards to their anti gay agenda. Gay or straight, they are still people and are US citizens. Fvcking lower the flag and go back to fvcking your sister.
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While I dont disagree with what you said, we can walk and chew gum...you can be outraged with all of the above, and pay some respect to a national tragedy. You can also flip the issue...why are these Alabama weirdos going out of their way NOT to lower it. Send the fvcking guy outside, have him pull the rope on the pulley, and lower the flag. Who exactly is going to litigate their "ordinance violation?" We did lose focus on important issues....all sides forget when the fvck to stop. If you're a gay person, you forgot where to stop and you constantly attack christians. Blacks attack whites, and these idiots forgot when to stop in regards to their anti gay agenda. Gay or straight, they are still people and are US citizens. Fvcking lower the flag and go back to fvcking your sister.
I also don't disagree with what you are saying.

But it does bother me that this thread, and probably CNN et. al., will reach just as high of interest talking about those incestual, hillbillies who hate gays people. Who knows why Baldwin Co didn't lower their flag. And who cares? It does warrant 2seconds of dismissal and move on with your life. But it is a feel-good exercise to spew some hate on southerners. IMO, it is no different than the prejudice spewed on gays. It is just that people feel justified to hand it to southerners.

And again, not that big of a deal. Did anyone bother to check their flags today? I bet no.
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I also don't disagree with what you are saying.

But it does bother me that this thread, and probably CNN et. al., will reach just as high of interest talking about those incestual, hillbillies who hate gays people. Who knows why Baldwin Co didn't lower their flag. And who cares? It does warrant 2seconds of dismissal and move on with your life. But it is a feel-good exercise to spew some hate on southerners. IMO, it is no different than the prejudice spewed on gays. It is just that people feel justified to hand it to southerners.

And again, not that big of a deal. Did anyone bother to check their flags today? I bet no.
Not Southeners. I said nothing about Southeners.

I specifically said rednecks. And specifically, Alabama. I have worked throughout the South for damn near half a century, and served clients in the many of the great shipbuilding enterprises in Mobile. I have spoken closely to many of the good people of Alabama over the years, from hourlies to office help to C-level executives, and never have I met a more bigoted, intolerant, vindictive group of people across the board in my life. It may sound like a stereoptype or generalizing to you, but if I'm at a bar anywhere in the world, and some American starts drawling about gays or blacks or Republicans or feminists, chances are excellent the answer I get when I ask "Where are you from?" is "Alabama."

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The US code does prescribe "automatic" half-staff requirements (that dumbasses misinterpreted), but does not preclude additional times when it may be designated for flying at half-mast. I'd bet they complied with flying half-mast for other things not designated by the flag code though...


As a side note, Cole County in Missouri did the same https://mic.com/articles/146320/one-...ims#.8Lq5709Ka
What you posted describes the days the flag should be displayed. It doesn't say anything about the days it should be flown at half-staff.

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Are there any instances where they have lowered the flag to honor any nongovernmental deaths? Or are they consistent in following the letter of the law?
This. Are they consistent in their application? Another article I read claimed they didn't fly it at half-staff after the Paris attacks in November or December's mass shooting in San Bernardino. Neither of those had anything to do with the gays, so if that claim is true, anyone that immediately assumes this is anti-gay is exhibiting their own prejudices.
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What you posted describes the days the flag should be displayed. It doesn't say anything about the days it should be flown at half-staff.

I noticed that, too. lol
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What you posted describes the days the flag should be displayed. It doesn't say anything about the days it should be flown at half-staff.
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Proclamation 3044 Section 5 states, "The heads of the several departments and agencies of the [federal] Government may direct that the flag of the United States be flown at half-staff on buildings, grounds, or naval vessels under their jurisdiction on occasions other than those specified herein which they consider proper, and that suitable military honors be rendered as appropriate."
There, I found a source for you (it's not in the flag code itself, so it took me longer). It's only been law since Eisenhower though, so I can see how some people still might not understand it (or have noticed we've been flying the flag at half-mast for various reasons not specified in the Flag Code for almost a century).

What no one can find (since it doesn't exist), is any law saying that the President can't order flags at half-mast for whatever reason he wants. The flag code doesn't prohibit such a thing, despite giving examples of when it should be done.

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There, I found a source for you (it's not in the flag code itself, so it took me longer). It's only been law since Eisenhower though, so I can see how some people still might not understand it (or have noticed we've been flying the flag at half-mast for various reasons not specified in the Flag Code for almost a century).

What no one can find (since it doesn't exist), is any law saying that the President can't order flags at half-mast for whatever reason he wants. The flag code doesn't prohibit such a thing, despite giving examples of when it should be done.
Did you know your previous post was about when to fly the flag and not when to lower it to half staff? If yes, why would you intentionally be misleading? If no, you're not really in a position to criticize someone else for misunderstanding, are you?

Regardless, so your contention is what? That county govt buildings must fly their flags as ordered by the POTUS? Or that county govt officials make that decision for themselves?
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Did you know your previous post was about when to fly the flag and not when to lower it to half staff? If yes, why would you intentionally be misleading? If no, you're not really in a position to criticize someone else for misunderstanding, are you?

Regardless, so your contention is what? That county govt buildings must fly their flags as ordered by the POTUS? Or that county govt officials make that decision for themselves?
If you'd read what I linked originally, you'd note that it included how to fly it on those days as well (it specifically mentions at half-staff for Memorial Day until noon for instance) and then says "and other days as proclaimed" which implies that (like the other examples it gives) that the manner it is to be flown on those days "as proscribed" is also subject to such proscription.

My contention is that the AL and MO local governments are trying to use the flag code as an excuse when it provides no such excuse. They aren't required to fly the flag per the President's proclamations at all. They don't answer to him and are not subject to his flag proclamations, not to mention that the flag code is actually just a "guide" in the first place for those not specifically covered by it (and those who are can freely violate it without issue as their are no penalties associated with not following the flag code.

If their reason for not flying the flag at half-mast is actually the flag code, then the reason is wrong as nothing in the flag code supports their position. If that reason is an excuse, then what is their real reason?

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