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Old 05-21-2017, 06:33 PM   #1
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trouble with lower starter bolt

Hi all,

I just wasted my weekend trying to remove the starter.

I pulled the manifold and got the upper starter bolt off with a 3/8" wrench, but for the lower bolt, I can't get my e12 to stay.

What configuration wrenches and black magic has everyone else used?

Anybody in the DFW area that can lend a hand? I would really appreciate that.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:43 PM   #2
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:57 PM   #3
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I replaced the starter on my 04 330xi last fall. That bolt is in a terrible location. I went in from under the car. My hand was crushed between the bellhousing and the firewall. I used this wrench:
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:58 PM   #4
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I've not done the job yet, but what if you unfasten the trans mount and lower it a bit on a jack for add'l clearance?
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:36 PM   #5
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Hi all,

I just wasted my weekend trying to remove the starter.

I pulled the manifold and got the upper starter bolt off with a 3/8" wrench, but for the lower bolt, I can't get my e12 to stay.

What configuration wrenches and black magic has everyone else used?

Anybody in the DFW area that can lend a hand? I would really appreciate that.
I cracked the lower bolt loose from under the car.. I used long extensions with couple wobbles.. Try removing the 13mm nut that holds the vacuum pump and move it away and see if it gives you more clearance..

If not, can you use a 10 mm wrench from the top and use a cheater bar to get more leverage?
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:37 PM   #6
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Thanks guys.

10mm and 3/8 are off by .5mm When I tried that, I rounded the bolt.

I'm thinking of getting some extentions and going from the transmission. Tapping on the bolt with the e12 to fix it and then applying torque.

Any idea how long of an extension I'll need?

Do I need to lower the transmission or can I hit it straight?

This job has turned into an absolute nightmare. Ugh!
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:47 PM   #7
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I think 18". Remove the fuel filter cover for better access

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Old 05-22-2017, 02:51 PM   #8
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see here

3/8 extension and some wobble pieces.

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Old 05-22-2017, 03:00 PM   #9
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So would that be accessing through the back of the transmission or closer to the driver's wheel?
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:49 AM   #10
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Ok. looks like I'm having lots of luck. too bad it's all bad.

The e12 is rounded and I can't get a good grip with the extension. I'm thinking of buying a metal saw blade and just cutting the head off the bolt.

Ideas?
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Ok. looks like I'm having lots of luck. too bad it's all bad.

The e12 is rounded and I can't get a good grip with the extension. I'm thinking of buying a metal saw blade and just cutting the head off the bolt.

Ideas?
If you are not planning on rebuilding your starter, can you use a dremel to cut off the housing on the starter where the bolt threads in?
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:36 PM   #12
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I'm not. I have a new one sitting right next to it

How deep do the treads start? I have a cut off tool. I'll just buzz it right off.
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When I did mine I had to destroy the fuel line mount on the lower bolt. That could be the reason you couldn't get on far enough.
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Why bmw? Why why why?
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I'm not. I have a new one sitting right next to it

How deep do the treads start? I have a cut off tool. I'll just buzz it right off.
Less than 1/2".... It is very soft metal.. doesn't take a lot of effort to cut.

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Ok. Just need to source another bolt then.

Thank you!
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Tbh, I would replace them even if they came off easily.. They are very soft and don't want them to give me a hard time next time.. Btw, put some anti sieze on the bolts when putting it back..

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Thanks Looks like I'm running to the dealer for $50 bolts
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WTF are you guys doing that it takes that long to remove the starter?!?!?!? I've done it a few times now (on both autos and manuals) and the ONLY issue you should have is tapping it off the locating pin if you live in an area that salts roads. You DO NOT NEED to remove the intake manifold, you don't even need to pop the hood to change the starter. Jack the car up, remove the front driver's side wheel and get at it from underneath. Every aspect of this job is done from under the car (except disconnecting the battery). XI's might be different, but even on my dad's X3, which is awd, I don't remember it taking more than an hour.
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WTF are you guys doing that it takes that long to remove the starter?!?!?!? I've done it a few times now (on both autos and manuals) and the ONLY issue you should have is tapping it off the locating pin if you live in an area that salts roads. You DO NOT NEED to remove the intake manifold, you don't even need to pop the hood to change the starter. Jack the car up, remove the front driver's side wheel and get at it from underneath. Every aspect of this job is done from under the car (except disconnecting the battery). XI's might be different, but even on my dad's X3, which is awd, I don't remember it taking more than an hour.
IDK what universe you live in, but you cant access the top of the motor from the wheel well, unless you cut through the strut tower. The starter is on top of the motor. Took me hours to do my xi with an auto.
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