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Old 10-31-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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Your thoughts on the HK USC - ?

Just wondering if any of you could share some thoughts on the HK USC .45

Thinking of saving up and buying one. Local store has one new for 1299
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:10 PM   #2
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That's not as much as I thought it would be. Especially seeing as their USP is around the same price.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:21 PM   #3
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Like everything HK, it's overpriced.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:25 PM   #4
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Are there better options for the same price? CA Legal btw

Reg price is I think 1899
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its basically an UMP in semi auto with a longer barrel
the UMP is a sick gun
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:50 PM   #6
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I heard you can spend about a grand and have it just like the UMP
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I heard you can spend about a grand and have it just like the UMP
you need class 3 license to get it modded with short barrel and full auto?
shooting full auto is f*cken expensive tho, like in no seconds and you run through an entire clip
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you need class 3 license to get it modded with short barrel and full auto?
shooting full auto is f*cken expensive tho, like in no seconds and you run through an entire clip
It does sound expensive LOL.. Idk if I want that. Anything else comparable to this in the price range?
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:00 PM   #9
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I heard you can spend about a grand and have it just like the UMP
Assuming you mean full auto you cannot own it because it was made after 1986 unless you are a class 3 FFL.

Some guns can be made full auto for free but is it worth 10 years in the slammer?
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:05 PM   #10
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Assuming you mean full auto you cannot own it because it was made after 1986 unless you are a class 3 FFL.

Some guns can be made full auto for free but is it worth 10 years in the slammer?
No, i'm referring to something like the USC. No need for Full auto
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It does sound expensive LOL.. Idk if I want that. Anything else comparable to this in the price range?
i was thinking of a walther G22 ...
bullpup design, 22LR, cheap to shoot.
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:25 PM   #12
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Assuming you mean full auto you cannot own it because it was made after 1986 unless you are a class 3 FFL.

Some guns can be made full auto for free but is it worth 10 years in the slammer?
Even if you're a class 3, you can't really do much with a post 86 full auto. It's meant to be a dealer 'sample'. The cops keep it, and you have to have permission from them to use it when you want.

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you need class 3 license to get it modded with short barrel and full auto?
shooting full auto is f*cken expensive tho, like in no seconds and you run through an entire clip
Can't "mod" it to full auto, you can for SBR, though.

And it's a magazine, not a clip.
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I love HK products, but the USC seems kind of pointless to me.
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While the UMP rapes in COD....in real life it doesn't perform as well. I'd prefer a MP5, personally. However, for long guns I'm a fan of rifle rounds. No handgun rounds, thanks.
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While the UMP rapes in COD....in real life it doesn't perform as well. I'd prefer a MP5, personally. However, for long guns I'm a fan of rifle rounds. No handgun rounds, thanks.
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While the UMP rapes in COD....in real life it doesn't perform as well. I'd prefer a MP5, personally. However, for long guns I'm a fan of rifle rounds. No handgun rounds, thanks.
It would be nice for close quarters If it's sbr'd. The .45 has incredible stopping power.
I'm old school so I have to go with the mp5. Combat proven and cheaper ammo.
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The USC is the civilian version of the UMP. It has a longer 16" barrel and a fixed stock. In that configuration, it's a poor weapon to buy, IMO. If you chopped the barrel or got the UMP barrel, SBR'd it with an NFA stamp, and then did the UMP conversion with the folding stock, it would be a much better weapon. For general use, it's a pretty worthless weapon. It would make a great home defense weapon, or a good "trunk gun" (if you are the type of person who might need one).

The UMP is a good gun and solid performer. The operating system is essentially the same as the MP5, but the SMG was built as a .45ACP first, and then they offered other calibers from there. In contrast, the MP5 was built as a 9mm and they went up in caliber. We have a couple UMP-40s, and they're pretty nice SMGs. Having played with both the MP5-40 and UMP-40, I prefer the ergos and controls of the UMP. The controls are nearly the same as the MP5, but they are slightly different in minor details, as you would expect from a newer model of weapon. The biggest complaint of the UMP comes from two major areas- rate of fire and polymer frame. The rate of fire is noticeably slower than the MP5, but they slowed it down intentionally to increase the control of the heavier .45ACP round. It makes the gun very controllable with little felt recoil, thus increasing accuracy. The polymer frame doesn't sit right with people, and it feels kind of weird. I think it works, but some don't. Some people prefer the old collapsible stock of the MP5, but I hated it because it was too long and only one position. The folding UMP stock has a shorter Length of Pull that takes into account the user's wearing of body armor- something the MP5 didn't account for.
While that's a bit off-topic, I figured I'd throw in my $0.02. If I were to want a 9mm HK SMG, I'd get an MP5. If I wanted a .40S&W or .45ACP, I'd get the UMP.

With all that being said, I would recommend looking into a Kriss-TDI Super-V as an alternative. I think it's a much better looking weapon with better options available.
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It would be nice for close quarters If it's sbr'd. The .45 has incredible stopping power.
I'm old school so I have to go with the mp5. Combat proven and cheaper ammo.
That would be incorrect. Rifle rounds > handgun rounds.
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I like H&K...but for a carbine...there are other options out there. I think the 45 in a carbine is a waste. Personal opinion. If you want a good cheap carbine...check out KelTec Sub2000 in 40 cal or 9mm....they use Glock mags. Also, look at the Glock platforms that use the Glock lower.

Main thing is.....what would be the use of this weapon? Range or self defense? For range.....gonna cost you on ammo.
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