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Old 11-03-2011, 08:56 AM   #21
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Reedo... write a book. "Let Them Be Victims: The Ignorance of Politicians Against Self Defense" or something.

I'd read it as long as I get a signed copy.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:12 AM   #22
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Reedo... write a book. "Let Them Be Victims: The Ignorance of Politicians Against Self Defense" or something.

I'd read it as long as I get a signed copy.
Read the book "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. It's along the lines of the title you just came up with. He's also a local guy who teaches CCW classes that book up a year in advance.
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I think you are dead on Reedo. I grew up in the adirondacks, and hunting was a normal part of my life. Add in that my father was a detective and did alot of undercover narcotics work and guns were naturally a big part of our existence. I knew them from a very early point and was taught to respect them and the power that they have. I was also taught that there are just an enormous number of bad people and that you needed to be very aware of your surroundings and those that you interacted with. My wife on the other hand grew up in la la land and sees no need for firearms. Unfortunately for her, she married me and has no choice in the matter. While I constantly educate her and remind her of how quickly things could go bad for myself, her and god forbid our 18 month old son, she still retains the idea that we wont ever be victims. While I haven't brought my firearms over to our house yet, I have a collection of about 30 which will be here soon including a pistol grip 12 gauge which will be in my closet at the ready.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:04 AM   #24
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While I constantly educate her and remind her of how quickly things could go bad for myself, her and god forbid our 18 month old son, she still retains the idea that we wont ever be victims.
My wife's family are all hunters, so she's comfortable around guns and doesn't care one way or the other about the presence. What she doesn't get is exactly what you pointed out- that you can be a victim anywhere anytime. We'd be going to run some errands and I'd be putting on my Glock 27 and she'd question why I needed it. Or we'd be going to a bar in north Minneapolis to meet up with her townie friends who want to slum it, and she'd get annoyed because I am carrying and can't drink with her friends. Yeah- I'm going to not carry a gun into one of the worst neighborhoods in the entire state.
The unfortunate side of the equation is that there are a lot of people out there that would get victimized, and they'd become even more timid and meek about self-protection. My biggest beef with my job is that as time progresses onward, I see people are taking less initiative and personal responsibility and relying more on other people to handle their business. This mentality of self defense and personal strength used to be normal in the 40s and 50s, but I think the hippie generation started to kill it, and by the time the 90's rolled around with the touchy-feely sensitivity and political correctness crap, society was screwed.
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Reedo, sometimes I just want to hug you. In a masculine, soldier, eat glass and shit nails kinda way of course.
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It gets annoying when you deal with the same people over and over again. Case in point- we arrested a kid named Eddie Nguyen. He has a drug problem. He has been breaking into cars since he was 15. When he was 17, he started breaking into houses. We did a search warrant on his house and located stolen medications, electronics, narcotics, credit cards, checks, the works. He has been arrested before, but because he's a juvi, he gets another slap on the wrist. He turns 18, and we were able to connect him to 4 home-invasion burglaries that he did in the area at night. He made no intentional contact with anyone, but people did bust him in the act and he and his buddy Michael fled. We arrested him, and he got sentenced to 16 months in prison. He was out in less than a year. (Michael was tied to some other incidents in MN and other states, so he's still locked up). Eddie gets out of the klink about 2 months ago and moves back into his parents' house. Within 2 days, we have 3 daytime burglaries on homes. Same M.O.- stolen electronics, stolen booze, same point of entry. The revolving door of justice worked again!
Now, just imagine if during one of those home invasions, grandpa comes out with the ol' trusty 12ga and pops Eddie with some 00 Buck or 6 shot at about 8 feet. Problem solved. Imagine the savings to the tax payers for no more court costs; or the safety of the rest of the public for never having to worry about being victimized by this dirtbag ever again.




When it comes to defending yourself, it's not about being a hero. It's about understanding that when someone tries to attack you or rob you, the police aren't going to be there right away to save the day. You act based on your need and desire for self-preservation. I don't know about you, but if carrying a gun makes me look like I want to be a hero to you, then I can easily send you a hi-res photo of me in my spandex and a ski mask and you can put it up on your wall.

Why do cops carry off-duty? We carry because we deal with the scum of the earth, and we know that these people exist, and they can do anything they want anywhere they want. The last thing I want is to deal with a criminal off duty. I have seen enough stabbings and beatings to know that carrying a gun is a potential life saving measure. I carry a gun for the same reason I spend 10-12 hours per week in the weight room: I want to have the tools there when I need them. I want to be ready. I refuse to be a victim.


This is often true. You see it a lot more in states where the educational requirement for law enforcement is basically non-existent. It's also notable to recognize that cops are like regular people, in that they have the same varying backgrounds. A Los Angeles PD cop is likely going to be more anti-gun, but a sheriff's deputy in rural Jackson County, Wisconsin will likely be pretty pro-gun because they are used to being around them.
Also, many cops who publicly extoll anti-gun rhetoric are usually chiefs, administrators, or police union/organization officials. These are typically people who are not cops, or have not been on the street in any legitimate capacity in the past 10 years and probably couldn't handle a simple traffic stop without jacking things up. Most of these administrators are politicians of some form, and most of them are jackasses.


The sheriff's office in the county I work in does firearms training courses (that stresses gun safety) free of charge to county residents. It has gone over exceptionally well with all positive reviews by the attendees. People who are responsibly introduced to guns have an advantage over those that don't. I think it should be the responsibility of law enforcement to make sure their populace has the tools necessary to safely defend themselves. Switzerland does it, and it works for them.


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Don't u believe u leave the guns to those who are trained to act I. Those situations?

I wouldn't like that just any idiot can have a gun

That's like saying a Ferrari owner is a good driver. God knows there are plenty of dumb a$$es behind the wheel
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Don't u believe u leave the guns to those who are trained to act I. Those situations?

I wouldn't like that just any idiot can have a gun

That's like saying a Ferrari owner is a good driver. God knows there are plenty of dumb a$$es behind the wheel
You're confusing privileges with rights again.
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Don't u believe u leave the guns to those who are trained to act I. Those situations?

I wouldn't like that just any idiot can have a gun

That's like saying a Ferrari owner is a good driver. God knows there are plenty of dumb a$$es behind the wheel
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Saying that only "professionals" should carry and shoot guns is like saying that only porn stars should be allowed to have sex. I don't need to work in the porn industry to know how to lay the wood to the wife.
Hell, I've known cops that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. I've also met some private citizens that can shoot the dick off a hummingbird at 50yds with a .45.
The only one to truly know whether you were in fear for your safety or family's safety is you. The minute that we take away peoples' right to protect themselves is the minute that we open up ourselves to tyrannical control.
Somewhat of an obscure story, but back in the 80's there was the movie Red Dawn. It was kinda corny in some aspects, but it was a good movie for a "what if". CIA and military intelligence experts later learned the significance of that movie. It was determined that the Soviet Union had a plan in the works to conduct an invasion of the US in the event that war broke out. They actually saw the Red Dawn movie and determined that going into the US would have erupted in a guerrilla war worse than Afghanistan, since Americans were so heavily armed. As a result, they abandoned further attempts to develop the plan. This is actually a true story, and it shows how much our willingness to protect ourselves goes to maintain our security. The instant we give that up, we begin to look weak. We also open ourselves up to domestic dangers. Statistics have shown that disarming the public has an adverse reaction to crime rates. Guns go down, and victimization goes up. To add to that, concealed carry has been around for so long that there are enough statistics out there showing how responsible gun owners are. The US Secret Service and FBI have done extensive studies, and the criminals with guns are the ones that don't legally carry guns. Ironically, they also don't use holsters.
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You're confusing privileges with rights again.
you have the right to live man - but it doesn't mean you have the right to be stupid and harm others.
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you have the right to live man - but it doesn't mean you have the right to be stupid and harm others.
Who is disagreeing with you?
Not me

I've carried a firearm on me for over 50,000 hours in my life and owned them for over 13 years.
Mine never hurt anyone

Wearing a blue uniform or pinning a shiny star to your chest doesn't necessarily make a person better trained or more professional than another
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Saying that only "professionals" should carry and shoot guns is like saying that only porn stars should be allowed to have sex. I don't need to work in the porn industry to know how to lay the wood to the wife.
Hell, I've known cops that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. I've also met some private citizens that can shoot the dick off a hummingbird at 50yds with a .45.
The only one to truly know whether you were in fear for your safety or family's safety is you. The minute that we take away peoples' right to protect themselves is the minute that we open up ourselves to tyrannical control.
Somewhat of an obscure story, but back in the 80's there was the movie Red Dawn. It was kinda corny in some aspects, but it was a good movie for a "what if". CIA and military intelligence experts later learned the significance of that movie. It was determined that the Soviet Union had a plan in the works to conduct an invasion of the US in the event that war broke out. They actually saw the Red Dawn movie and determined that going into the US would have erupted in a guerrilla war worse than Afghanistan, since Americans were so heavily armed. As a result, they abandoned further attempts to develop the plan. This is actually a true story, and it shows how much our willingness to protect ourselves goes to maintain our security. The instant we give that up, we begin to look weak. We also open ourselves up to domestic dangers. Statistics have shown that disarming the public has an adverse reaction to crime rates. Guns go down, and victimization goes up. To add to that, concealed carry has been around for so long that there are enough statistics out there showing how responsible gun owners are. The US Secret Service and FBI have done extensive studies, and the criminals with guns are the ones that don't legally carry guns. Ironically, they also don't use holsters.
again you are talking about trained people.

you think i could pick up a gun and shoot better than others?

unless it's an m16 with a red dot scope - that was easy to shoot in vegas lol -- but hand gun - no way i'd be terrible in a dire situation. good chance i'll accidently shoot someone.
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so you agree with BornBorn

so do you feel people should get a license or a test before owning a gun?
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so you agree with BornBorn

so do you feel people should get a license or a test before owning a gun?
Yes and No and No

People shouldn't need permission (permits) for rights.
Do you require training or a permit to vote or express your religion?
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Wearing a blue uniform or pinning a shiny star to your chest doesn't necessarily make a person better trained or more professional than another
Amen. Seen too many stories where trust in police and authority has ended costing lives. Carrying a gun allows an individual to think for themselves and protect themselves without relying on others.
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Yes and No and No

People shouldn't need permission (permits) for rights.
Do you require training or a permit to vote or express your religion?
There is an age limit to vote and you do need to go to ccd to get your confirmation etc

So yes and yes.

Now what?
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so do you feel people should get a license or a test before owning a gun?
What is your point? People are already required to obtain a (CCW) license before being allowed to carry a gun in public.

You are also required to obtain a safety certification before being allowed to purchase a handgun.
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There is an age limit to vote and you do need to go to ccd to get your confirmation etc

So yes and yes.

Now what?
You have to be an adult (18) own a gun, join the army or vote too. So?

Is CCD. A requirement of the government or your school/church?
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I would support a minimum intelligence test to vote before I would support training for firearms. Both are rights, so I fail to see the distinction.
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