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Old 11-01-2011, 06:36 AM   #1
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Hypothetical HD situation....

In a HD situation, where milliseconds count....

12 gauge PUMP shotgun (more stopping power per round, but takes a second to reload) or a .45, with less stopping power, but the ability to shoot again immediately?

If you had both at your bedside, and could only grab one, which would it be?
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:46 AM   #2
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:55 AM   #3
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Doesn't matter if you can't hit what you're aiming at with what you have. I'm not too accurate with my .45, I'd take the 12 guage with the longer reload time & get a hit with the 1rst shot.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:42 AM   #4
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Depends on what size 12 gauge we're talking about.

This?



No. It's too long and poorly maneuverable in the house.

This?



Yes. Short, easy to point and shoot, maneuverable.

Other than that, I'd go with my .45 ACP (assuming my 9mm isn't available since it's my designated nightstand gun).
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:52 AM   #5
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^Option B, an HD shotgun, not a bird version.
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:48 AM   #6
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The expansion on a shotgun shell is negligible at short ranges. Using the shotgun isn't going to improve your accuracy, it's just going to slow you down and leave you with less rounds if you're going to assume the user is inaccurate.
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:01 AM   #7
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The expansion on a shotgun shell is negligible at short ranges. Using the shotgun isn't going to improve your accuracy, it's just going to slow you down and leave you with less rounds if you're going to assume the user is inaccurate.
But if you do make full contact at reasonably close range (5 yards?) with some sort of buckshot... gawd DAMN. You'll be replacing your flooring/carpet and probably many other parts and pieces in your house due to potentially infectious fluid stains.

I'd still prefer the handgun, though.
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But if you do make full contact at reasonably close range (5 yards?) with some sort of buckshot... gawd DAMN. You'll be replacing your flooring/carpet and probably many other parts and pieces in your house due to potentially infectious fluid stains.

I'd still prefer the handgun, though.
So would I. 7-10 yards with a home defense round from a .45 will leave a mess as well I'm sure. I'm not an expert on ballistics so I can't speak to the dangers of over penetration on the .45.
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So would I. 7-10 yards with a home defense round from a .45 will leave a mess as well I'm sure. I'm not an expert on ballistics so I can't speak to the dangers of over penetration on the .45.




Although lighter, the expansion on these things is brutal. I'd like to see what they do to ballistics gel.

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Depends on the distance of the threat in relation to me and also what sort of load is available in the shotgun. Anything over ~5 yards and I'm opting for the .45.
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:51 AM   #11
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Shotgun loaded with buck is going to demolish a target. Before Reedo drops in - Long gun > handgun.

45acp isn't the be-all everyone thinks it is. 9, 40 and 45 all perform roughly the same in jhp offerings. The handgun cartridge with the highest "one shot stop" (another bs myth) is 357 magnum. Which is effectively a 9mm round on multiple steroids.
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:59 AM   #12
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Shotgun loaded with buck is going to demolish a target. Before Reedo drops in - Long gun > handgun.

45acp isn't the be-all everyone thinks it is. 9, 40 and 45 all perform roughly the same in jhp offerings. The handgun cartridge with the highest "one shot stop" (another bs myth) is 357 magnum. Which is effectively a 9mm round on multiple steroids.
It provides better penetration, no doubt. Shot placement is key, though. In these colder months, you can pretty much guarantee a BG is going to be rocking some heavy attire, so a .357 magnum would make sense in these situations. Hell... even buckshot would.

For damage, go with the 12 gauge. For longer shots and more maneuverability, opt for the .45 ACP.
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My preferred HD weapon would be my 7.5" AR with a sling. Short of that, I'd take a pistol. A long gun is easier to control when shooting, and a shotgun round will put someone down quickly at close range. My concern comes in with two issues- close quarters and control. A handgun is easier to maneuver through a house. Long guns can be unwieldy and cumbersome. Whenever I've had to go into townhomes and apartments for a search, I prefer to take my pistol over my Colt M4 w/ 14.5" barrel or Wilson Combat Remington 870 w/ 14" barrel. The handgun is just easier to work with. The second comes with control. If you have to hold onto something, like a cell phone, a dog, your child, a flashlight, etc, a handgun gives you that option. A shotgun requires both hands.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:18 PM   #16
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Why settle for a pump action, when semi auto shotguns have proven themselves just as reliable.
You shoot faster than pump with the same stopping power. Love my 930 SPX (shotgun of the year 2009).
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Why settle for a pump action, when semi auto shotguns have proven themselves just as reliable.
You shoot faster than pump with the same stopping power. Love my 930 SPX (shotgun of the year 2009).
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I've had my eye on the FN Self Loading Police (SLP) shotgun. Semi-auto, proven platform, and a short enough barrel to be good for HD.
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I'd take a pistol. Main reasons are maneuverability and having a spare hand free if I need it.
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I've had my eye on the FN Self Loading Police (SLP) shotgun. Semi-auto, proven platform, and a short enough barrel to be good for HD.
I've actually found them to be MORE reliable. It's pretty common for people to short-stroke a pump shotgun slide while cycling it under stress. You can't short-stroke an auto.
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I keep my Benelli m3 super 90 in the basement(spend every night down there till 12-3am and most evenings.) and in the night stand is my handgun with JHP. I'll probably keep an AR mag loaded after I build it and keep that upstairs too. When I build my SBR that will probably be what I lean too.

I need to get some 00buck for the benelli been keeping slugs in it right now, but that's what I always practice shooting too.
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