E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > Tuning & Tech > Driveline, Engine & DME Tuning

Driveline, Engine & DME Tuning
Talk about driveline improvements, NA tuning and DME tuning your E46 BMW here. This includes diffs, intakes, exhausts, chips, software and OBD tuning.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 11-12-2011, 11:34 AM   #1
BMW_Knight
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,963
My Ride: STG2 ZHP,E70 X5(DD)
Send a message via ICQ to BMW_Knight Send a message via AIM to BMW_Knight
Another NA 330 Thread

I thought I would let everyone know my first Dyno Experience. I didn't score as high as I would have liked to.

Car: 2004 330ci ZHP
Performance Mods:
AA Tune, Headers, Exhaust
UUC Pullies
BMW Performance Intake

I pulled 212 on the first and second run and 213.9 on the third. On the third run they ripped through the gears a little more, that's why the graph is all over the place.







I guess my next move is either super charge or cams and head work.

I will probably go with cams and head work.
__________________

Thanks to: www.getbmwparts.com www.aatuning.com www.toyotires.com
Eurowerkz Mid-Atlantic Regional Director
Join the Eurowerkz Facebook Fan Site : Click Here
Need your car coded with Euro Options? (Remote Windows up, Corner delete, DRL off, etc.) PM Me
BMW_Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Ads by Google

Guests, get your FREE E46Fanatics.com membership to remove this ad.
Old 11-12-2011, 11:42 AM   #2
2000_328CI
DK Jack Sparrow
 
2000_328CI's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Isla de Muerta | DC/VA
Posts: 29,025
My Ride: 328Ci | Range Rover
Send a message via AIM to 2000_328CI Send a message via MSN to 2000_328CI
Thats still impressive with na bud! When I looked at cams and heads, didn't seem like the bang for the buck was there.. What will it cost/get you? May be best to save for a charger.
__________________

Everything you need to know on muffler deletes : http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=745244
Wrapping an E46 in Vinyl : http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...ghlight=bronze
2000_328CI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 12:31 PM   #3
lejeunebimmer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Oakdale, MN
Posts: 778
My Ride: 02' M3 SMG, 02' 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000_328CI View Post
Thats still impressive with na bud! When I looked at cams and heads, didn't seem like the bang for the buck was there.. What will it cost/get you? May be best to save for a charger.
Cams would be about 10-12 rwhp and about 1k (not counting install) if you got the 264 252 Schrick copies. If you want to know where to get them there is someone who's a regular (and well respected) in this subsection who also lives in the MAR who can help you out......

As for the head work, probably a little over 1k with about 20rwhp maybe more maybe less depending on who did it, and how well they know these engines...
__________________
330i - AA Tuned, Headers, UUC Stage I LW FW, e36 M3 Clutch, UUC SS Clutch line, BMW Performance Intake, Evo Sport Pulleys, BMW Performance Cross-Drilled Rotors, Hawk HPS, BW SS Brake Lines, BW Solid Guide Bushings, BMW Performance CF Strut Brace, H&R Sways, H&R Sport Springs, Bilstein Sport Shocks, Powerflex Bushings, LED Tails, Clear Sides/Turns, Black Grill, Mtech 2, CF Splitters


M3 - Not enough room to list
lejeunebimmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 04:34 PM   #4
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
surprisingly low hp but it might have to do with the zip's dynoing lower than non zip 330's

maybe
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 04:37 PM   #5
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Quote:
Originally Posted by steven747 View Post
surprisingly low hp but it might have to do with the zip's dynoing lower than non zip 330's

maybe
Since when does this happen? I've yet to see a 330i do a pull then a 330i ZHP right after on the same dyno and the ZHP put down lower numbers. Maybe your referring to different dynos.
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:13 PM   #6
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Since when does this happen? I've yet to see a 330i do a pull then a 330i ZHP right after on the same dyno and the ZHP put down lower numbers. Maybe your referring to different dynos.
maybe but i have heard of zip's dynoing lower but in a race slightly pull because of the diff... like 3 threads up " i dynoed my car today " I'm sure its on a different dyno but he has almost all the same mods and dynode like 230 uncorrected. but thats a non zhp.
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:21 PM   #7
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Maybe because it had alot more miles I've pulled on many non ZHP's all across the tach, not only because of the slightly taller diff. I've owned both a non and a ZHP 330i. And the ZHP is faster in every way.
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:33 PM   #8
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Maybe because it had alot more miles I've pulled on many non ZHP's all across the tach, not only because of the slightly taller diff. I've owned both a non and a ZHP 330i. And the ZHP is faster in every way.
hmm my friend has a 05 zhp sedan and we are near similar.. off the line he gets me every time but throughout 2nd we even out pretty well
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:46 PM   #9
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Driver advantage? Lol

I did a 60 roll with a 330i non ZHP when my ZHP was stock. 330i had intake & headers and we were even until we grabbed 4th. Then I pulled slightly.
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!

Last edited by E46_330i_Stud; 11-12-2011 at 05:48 PM.
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:13 PM   #10
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Driver advantage? Lol

I did a 60 roll with a 330i non ZHP when my ZHP was stock. 330i had intake & headers and we were even until we grabbed 4th. Then I pulled slightly.
yeah no we are both experienced drivers with 6spd's but we go from a 5 mph roll and its almost dead even every time.. for gods sake they are the same exact car. and a 330 with headers will wipe out any stock zhp. call bs
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 07:00 PM   #11
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Quote:
Originally Posted by steven747 View Post
yeah no we are both experienced drivers with 6spd's but we go from a 5 mph roll and its almost dead even every time.. for gods sake they are the same exact car. and a 330 with headers will wipe out any stock zhp. call bs

Again, driver advantage. Alot plays into races and pulls. Something most n00bs have no idea about. Previous maintenance plays alot into it as well.
Like I said, I've owned both cars and they are not the same. The difference in my race was the non ZHP was a preface so it was a 5speed. Probably made the difference. Sorry to thread jack OP! Your numbers look solid. Screw cams, bolt on a blower!!


Edit: FYI a 5mph roll race is different than a 60 roll. gear ratios win races for the most part
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!

Last edited by E46_330i_Stud; 11-12-2011 at 07:05 PM.
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 07:07 PM   #12
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Again, driver advantage. Alot plays into races and pulls. Something most n00bs have no idea about. Previous maintenance plays alot into it as well.
Like I said, I've owned both cars and they are not the same. The difference in my race was the non ZHP was a preface so it was a 5speed. Probably made the difference. Sorry to thread jack OP! Your numbers look solid. Screw cams, bolt on a blower!!


Edit: FYI a 5mph roll race is different than a 60 roll. gear ratios win races for the most part
yes +1 on blower..

ps we both are up to date on all maintenance including on cooling overhaul and inspection 2.. the 6spd might make a difference but its negligible on me and my buddies car.


op maybe true out a different tune to see if there are any other gains left
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 07:25 PM   #13
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Quote:
Originally Posted by steven747 View Post
op maybe true out a different tune to see if there are any other gains left
+1
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 08:10 PM   #14
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
+1
are you running stock exhaust and headers?
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 08:57 PM   #15
BMW_Knight
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,963
My Ride: STG2 ZHP,E70 X5(DD)
Send a message via ICQ to BMW_Knight Send a message via AIM to BMW_Knight
Quote:
Originally Posted by lejeunebimmer View Post
Cams would be about 10-12 rwhp and about 1k (not counting install) if you got the 264 252 Schrick copies. If you want to know where to get them there is someone who's a regular (and well respected) in this subsection who also lives in the MAR who can help you out......

As for the head work, probably a little over 1k with about 20rwhp maybe more maybe less depending on who did it, and how well they know these engines...
PM me with details.

Quote:
Originally Posted by steven747 View Post
surprisingly low hp but it might have to do with the zip's dynoing lower than non zip 330's

maybe
Or it could have to do with everyone getting dynoed on a Dynojet dyno with SAE numbers.

SAE correction Approx 15% makes mine 245 this is according to the guy that dynoed the car.

Aggie46 has 237 with SAE correction. I think he is putting down the best numbers for an NA-330 and he has done his research and dyno time to prove it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Since when does this happen? I've yet to see a 330i do a pull then a 330i ZHP right after on the same dyno and the ZHP put down lower numbers. Maybe your referring to different dynos.
I stay dead even with stock vert M3's until about 120 mph and then they blow by me (probably has a little to do with my high gear ratio). The ZHP has a 10hp advantage over a 330. Please lets not start the ZHP hate in my thread.

I am not going to say that the zhp is better than the 330, but I got a six speed, a better steering ratio and didn't have to make my 330 look like a zhp.

Quote:
Originally Posted by steven747 View Post
yes +1 on blower..

ps we both are up to date on all maintenance including on cooling overhaul and inspection 2.. the 6spd might make a difference but its negligible on me and my buddies car.


op maybe true out a different tune to see if there are any other gains left
AA is one of the best tunes there is. Even the guy doing the dyno said that my AFR was perfect.
__________________

Thanks to: www.getbmwparts.com www.aatuning.com www.toyotires.com
Eurowerkz Mid-Atlantic Regional Director
Join the Eurowerkz Facebook Fan Site : Click Here
Need your car coded with Euro Options? (Remote Windows up, Corner delete, DRL off, etc.) PM Me

Last edited by BMW_Knight; 11-12-2011 at 09:01 PM.
BMW_Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 09:28 PM   #16
E46_330i_Stud
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 1,888
My Ride: 2004 330ci ZHP 6MT
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW_Knight View Post
PM me with details.



Or it could have to do with everyone getting dynoed on a Dynojet dyno with SAE numbers.

SAE correction Approx 15% makes mine 245 this is according to the guy that dynoed the car.

Aggie46 has 237 with SAE correction. I think he is putting down the best numbers for an NA-330 and he has done his research and dyno time to prove it.



I stay dead even with stock vert M3's until about 120 mph and then they blow by me (probably has a little to do with my high gear ratio). The ZHP has a 10hp advantage over a 330. Please lets not start the ZHP hate in my thread.

I am not going to say that the zhp is better than the 330, but I got a six speed, a better steering ratio and didn't have to make my 330 look like a zhp.



AA is one of the best tunes there is. Even the guy doing the dyno said that my AFR was perfect.
Lol thank you! It's always the people who don't own a ZHP who puts them down. I can say its an all around better car because I've owned both. I've given an M3 (jordangreen21) hell on the highway and have videos to prove it somewhere. Above 120 though your right, they just don't fall off. But also you mentioned you have a 6 speed, but so do all facelifts after a certain production date in 02. Either way doesn't matter.

About the AA tune idk. I've seen good and bad. The AFR's may be solid but I've heard the OE tune is better. For the money Id still agree and say its one of the best. Can't wait to see your cara progress!
__________________


1995 325i 5mt ArcticGrey/Dove - SOLD
2004 330ci ZHP 6MT SilberGrau/Black - SOLD
2001 330i M-Sport 5MT StaulGrau/Grey - SOLD
1992 Accord LX Sedan 275k miles all original - DAILY
2002 Chevy Suburban LT Autoride - TOY HAULER
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT - RACE TRUCK!
E46_330i_Stud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 10:11 PM   #17
Iceman00
I screwed up and can't post
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: FLA
Posts: 2,838
My Ride: E90 6MT
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW_Knight View Post
PM me with details.



Or it could have to do with everyone getting dynoed on a Dynojet dyno with SAE numbers.

SAE correction Approx 15% makes mine 245 this is according to the guy that dynoed the car.

Aggie46 has 237 with SAE correction. I think he is putting down the best numbers for an NA-330 and he has done his research and dyno time to prove it.



I stay dead even with stock vert M3's until about 120 mph and then they blow by me (probably has a little to do with my high gear ratio). The ZHP has a 10hp advantage over a 330. Please lets not start the ZHP hate in my thread.

I am not going to say that the zhp is better than the 330, but I got a six speed, a better steering ratio and didn't have to make my 330 look like a zhp.



AA is one of the best tunes there is. Even the guy doing the dyno said that my AFR was perfect.
AFR is only a portion of a good tune. From looking at Aggies tune (AA vs Shark) there as almost a 10whp LOSS across the board. That isn't dyno variance, that a poor tune. Word is they are working on upgrading it, but my initial view of them is not favorable.

As far as the dyno goes, strong numbers. Dyno type will play into how much power a car puts down as Dyno Dynamics dynos are said to read lower than Dynojets. Above all, we should just remember a dyno is a tool for tuning, it's almost impossible to measure from one dyno to another.
Iceman00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 10:34 PM   #18
Steven747
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,386
My Ride: 05 330ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by E46_330i_Stud View Post
Lol thank you! It's always the people who don't own a ZHP who puts them down. I can say its an all around better car because I've owned both. I've given an M3 (jordangreen21) hell on the highway and have videos to prove it somewhere. Above 120 though your right, they just don't fall off. But also you mentioned you have a 6 speed, but so do all facelifts after a certain production date in 02. Either way doesn't matter.

About the AA tune idk. I've seen good and bad. The AFR's may be solid but I've heard the OE tune is better. For the money Id still agree and say its one of the best. Can't wait to see your cara progress!
+1 on oe running for getting 19 whp and 20 tq out of a stock 330. if you are local its great because you can get the same custom dyno tune which i plan on doing after headers. seems like dyno tune is the way to go. I'm sure AA at their facility on their dyno could produce similar numbers as oe its just there generic tune I'm sure is detuned for safety or what not.
__________________
Steven747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2011, 02:27 AM   #19
Rob43
Hates Low RPM !
 
Rob43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 3,970
My Ride: 03 331Ci 5spd R1200R
I have quite a few thoughts on all this, but it's real late. I'm going to sleep.





Goodnight, maybe Sunday afternoon.





Rob
__________________



Rob #43 ITS/ITR/STU, BMW 325I, STU LAP RECORD
SUMMIT POINT WV 1:24:229 S.C.C.A.
(DynoDynamics https:vimeo.com/8486878 Dyno Video)
"Chance Favors The Prepared Mind"

Need Help With Your Nitrous Ambitions ?.....PM ME
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
Nitrous is a little trickier than boost, but it's not the spray that kills motors, it's STUPIDITY!!
Rob43 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2011, 07:29 AM   #20
BMW_Knight
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,963
My Ride: STG2 ZHP,E70 X5(DD)
Send a message via ICQ to BMW_Knight Send a message via AIM to BMW_Knight
After reading through here a little bit, my next steps are going to be an ATI damper and a new tune. I think I can squeeze a little more out of it. After that its going to be cams or FI.
__________________

Thanks to: www.getbmwparts.com www.aatuning.com www.toyotires.com
Eurowerkz Mid-Atlantic Regional Director
Join the Eurowerkz Facebook Fan Site : Click Here
Need your car coded with Euro Options? (Remote Windows up, Corner delete, DRL off, etc.) PM Me
BMW_Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Censor is OFF





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use