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Old 12-03-2011, 02:55 PM   #21
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Okie dokie.....

As already mentioned, kind of hard to tell from the angles, but....

1. You don't seem to let the car unwind to the edge of the track.

2. You appear to be making another rookie mistake of early turn-in. VERY early it appears from the video.

3. Related to 1 and 2, use all of the road mate. I see a lot of time spent in the middle of the track. It's RARE that the line takes you down the center of the track. Usually you're at the edge of the track or driving from edge to edge, not down the middle. On occasion, with very short straights between corners in an S turn, sometimes you do drive down the middle of the track as the best compromise of tracking out and getting a good turn-in, but it's rare.

You need to be smoother. More relaxed. Forget the camera. Maybe leave it home next time. Listen to your instructor. Start slowly. I ALWAYS advise my students to take AT LEAST one full lap about 60% or slower, concentrating on driving the line, regardless of speed. Always drive the same line. The ONLY reason to deviate is wheel to wheel racing when you're passing or protecting and you're not racing wheel to wheel. I usually prefer to have my students take two full laps to warm up. You have to warm both the car AND the driver. Last year I had the last stint of the day in our LeMons car. In this situation the car is warmed up, but the driver isn't. Drove right off the track under braking. DOH! At DE you are not competing, so take your time to get up to speed. It is very important and warm-up laps should feel excruciatingly slow. When I'm racing in a sprint race like SCCA, I take one very slow warm up lap and then one a little faster before forming up for the start.

Try to do exactly what your instructor is telling you to do. If you cannot do it because things are happening too quickly, you need to slow down enough so that you can follow his/her instructions completely. You will end up faster at the end of the day. Shoot, the best student I ever had was so smooth that in the final session I was falling asleep in the car. NO worries, super smooth, almost nothing to critique. He was actually ready to push a little faster but that was better saved for next time.
Awesome advice my friend thankyou very much . There wasent any instructor just a buddy in the drivers seat. Ill take all of this into consideration next time thanks
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Old 12-03-2011, 04:02 PM   #22
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I had an auto 325i and it was fun. I got to the point where I was passing S/C E46 M3s, E90 M3s, Lotus Elises, 996 Turbos, and more.
Thank you Southpaw ill check those out!
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:29 AM   #23
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try heel and toe next time
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:11 AM   #24
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Watch this, especially from 1:40-whatever, you can see the interior view.

Watch my hands, my shifting. Watch how smooth my hands are, how quick the time from steering wheel to shifter is, how nice and relaxed my hands are, I could technically drive with one hand, and that's how it should be. The smoother the better.

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Old 12-04-2011, 02:13 AM   #25
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Brandon's Driving.

I need to get onto HPDE, now...and learn how to heel-toe better.

Brandon, help on that?
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:18 AM   #26
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Come out to SoCal and we can go to Chuckwalla, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, or AAA speedway.

Or we can hit up the NorCal tracks (Infineon, Thunderhill, and Laguna Seca) that I desperately need to do.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:20 AM   #27
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Come out to SoCal and we can go to Chuckwalla, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, or AAA speedway.

Or we can hit up the NorCal tracks (Infineon, Thunderhill, and Laguna Seca) that I desperately need to do.
Yea, let me just swing on out there.

How-bout you come here for Octoberfest 2012 and hit up Mid-O?

If OP doesn't mind...anyone care to look at auto-x lines? I know I shuffle hands sometimes :/

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Old 12-04-2011, 02:26 AM   #28
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Yea, let me just swing on out there.

How-bout you come here for Octoberfest 2012 and hit up Mid-O?

If OP doesn't mind...anyone care to look at auto-x lines? I know I shuffle hands sometimes :/

haha I like the sliding.
shuffling hands at auto crossing is normal.
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:27 PM   #29
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haha I like the sliding.
shuffling hands at auto crossing is normal.
Slide wasn't something I wanted...but it worked out.

Good to know shuffling hands is normal..or.else id be screwed

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Old 12-04-2011, 03:35 PM   #30
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Kyle, I think it's time for you to graduate from that autocross stuff and play with the big kids.
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:48 PM   #31
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Kyle, I think it's time for you to graduate from that autocross stuff and play with the big kids.
agreed.

I know I'm a vert, but it doesn't mean I don't get down and dirty.



And courtesy of Jake(sledgehammer RTI), you can see some of me in there.

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Old 12-04-2011, 04:14 PM   #32
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Yea, let me just swing on out there.

How-bout you come here for Octoberfest 2012 and hit up Mid-O?

If OP doesn't mind...anyone care to look at auto-x lines? I know I shuffle hands sometimes :/

i like this
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:16 PM   #33
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Watch this, especially from 1:40-whatever, you can see the interior view.

Watch my hands, my shifting. Watch how smooth my hands are, how quick the time from steering wheel to shifter is, how nice and relaxed my hands are, I could technically drive with one hand, and that's how it should be. The smoother the better.

i like it ! ill try it next time. Thank you~
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:52 PM   #34
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Kyle, I think it's time for you to graduate from that autocross stuff and play with the big kids.
I completely agree.

Got the car last year...got use of the car...spun it in the dry and wet, I know the limits.

I have RS3s now, and will be purchasing camber plates to throw on the car, you will see me on the track next year.

Like I said before though, I gotta learn how to better heel toe on this car



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Old 12-04-2011, 08:01 PM   #35
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i completely agree.

Got the car last year...got use of the car...spun it in the dry and wet, i know the limits.

I have rs3s now, and will be purchasing camber plates to throw on the car, you will see me on the track next year.

Like i said before though, i gotta learn how to better heel toe on this car



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Old 12-04-2011, 08:03 PM   #36
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If I were to go back to street tires, I'd go for RS3s. They're incredible.

Federal RSRs are pretty damn good too.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:07 PM   #37
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If I were to go back to street tires, I'd go for RS3s. They're incredible.

Federal RSRs are pretty damn good too.
I can't wait, should be a significant increase in grip with the Toyo T1Rs I'm running on now
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:39 PM   #38
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Awesome advice my friend thankyou very much . There wasent any instructor just a buddy in the drivers seat. Ill take all of this into consideration next time thanks
WTF sort of club puts a novice student on track with no instructor? Why the hell would they let a random idiot ride shotgun?

1. Stop.
2. Find a club with trained instructors.
3. Learn a lot with greatly reduced risk.
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:36 PM   #39
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WTF sort of club puts a novice student on track with no instructor? Why the hell would they let a random idiot ride shotgun?

1. Stop.
2. Find a club with trained instructors.
3. Learn a lot with greatly reduced risk.
i wont go out with out an instructor next time! just wanted to see how it feels driving on the track since i never did it before
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:38 PM   #40
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i wont go out with out an instructor next time! just wanted to see how it feels driving on the track since i never did it before
I would not expect you to do everything right the first time out. Hell, I would not expect you to ask for an instructor. It's the club's job to provide instruction.

That first puff on the go fast crack pipe sure tastes sweet. May you have many happy track days while learning a metric ton about driving. Put some hours on your butt and build a LeMons car.
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