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Old 05-12-2013, 10:54 AM   #781
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Perfect, I will order the seal kit with 24 hour express from Raj tomorrow
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The beisan seal kit is excellent. Highly recommend and a breeze to install with the excellent DIY procedure Raj provided.

Only fancy tool you need is a proper bench vise.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #782
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Could this be broken tabs for the exhaust hub?
No, the tabs on the car look good
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:22 AM   #783
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Nice assuming you were there with Nikolai? Thx!
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:14 PM   #784
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Perfect, I will order the seal kit with 24 hour express from Raj tomorrow
Make sure you get the double VANOS seal kit ($60), S54 rattle kit ($40), S54/S62 VANOS rattle tool ($30) and pump disc ($150) as well.

If you don't already have a rebuilt solenoid from Raj, that is a no brainer as well.

Ain't double vanos fun SP?

Good luck 323tom. I want to see this beast unleashed.

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Old 05-12-2013, 02:47 PM   #785
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sorry tom - i meant bavarian auto recycling. here is there number (916) 635-4269... 6month warranty on used units. fair pricing on s54 too incase anyone was looking for a cheap project build.
dual vanos, single vanos..no matter which m3...its good to have spares!
you'll still need cam locks regardless of the route you choose... best of luck tom.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:59 PM   #786
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No point in buying a used unit...rebuild the old one like he's planning and it'll be better than both!
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Old 05-12-2013, 03:49 PM   #787
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Spoke with Raj at beisan, this is what he said...

Here are the causes of vanos codes on the S54.
1. Wrong timing. But someone would have needed to disturb the timing.
2. Failed vanos solenoid coil pack.
3. Sticking vanos solenoid valve body.
4. Broken exhaust hub oil pump driver tab.

The most common cause is a failed solenoid coil pack. This is often
intermittent. So testing it is not effective. We provide a rebuilt solenoid
coil pack that addresses the design problem so the problem doesn't recur.
The solenoid valve body is cleaned during the solenoid coil pack replacement
procedure.
To check the exhaust hub driver tabs you would need to remove the valve
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:26 PM   #788
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Spoke with Raj at beisan, this is what he said...

Here are the causes of vanos codes on the S54.
1. Wrong timing. But someone would have needed to disturb the timing.
2. Failed vanos solenoid coil pack.
3. Sticking vanos solenoid valve body.
4. Broken exhaust hub oil pump driver tab.

The most common cause is a failed solenoid coil pack. This is often
intermittent. So testing it is not effective. We provide a rebuilt solenoid
coil pack that addresses the design problem so the problem doesn't recur.
The solenoid valve body is cleaned during the solenoid coil pack replacement
procedure.
To check the exhaust hub driver tabs you would need to remove the valve
cover.
Raj is excellent and is priced fair. He helped me and solved my issues early on with my car. I replaced selinoid pack, and seals as well as valve body. Fixed my Vanos problem.


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Old 05-13-2013, 08:39 PM   #789
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:59 AM   #790
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Will you drive the car before Christmas?
Just joking, currently I'm in the same situation like you with my tuner, he works on 20 cars and doesn't finish any of them on time...


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Old 05-15-2013, 02:11 PM   #791
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Just joking, currently I'm in the same situation like you with my tuner, he works on 20 cars and doesn't finish any of them on time...


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thats what made me tune my own M3s

To give you an idea, install Team Viewer and I can log online and map your M3.

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:46 PM   #792
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It's not only ECU tune, he needs to do also a lot of mechanical work.

Thanks for the offer, I have sent you a pm.


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Just got home. I'll let Nikolai post the details but we still seem to have a mechanical issue on the exhaust side. More to come tomorrow.
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Just got home. I'll let Nikolai post the details but we still seem to have a mechanical issue on the exhaust side. More to come tomorrow.
Oh no. Good luck and hope for a speedy recovery.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:03 PM   #795
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Just got home. I'll let Nikolai post the details but we still seem to have a mechanical issue on the exhaust side. More to come tomorrow.
So, here is the status report.
First, the progress.
We did all new seals and new bolts on the sprockets, hubs, vanos pistons, new pressure valve filter, and even replaced a "damaged" electrical connector for the solenoid coil pack.




The VANOS codes are gone (at least for now, the car wasn't driven, but the code used to pop right back up before), the only error code shown now is for the DME cooling fan and it's because it's not connected.


The vanos shows "adapted", the intake cam works 100% perfect, but the exhaust is not going to it's target.


When the car idles and target is 0, the cam shows 0-2, which is okay, but when we blip the throttle and target angle goes to 13-14, actual value doesn't follow it. Most of the time it only goes up to 3-4 degrees.

We'll try swapping cam sensors and even the whole vanos unit to isolate the problem, but it's time consuming.

If anybody has ideas, please share.
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So, here is the status report.
First, the progress.
We did all new seals and new bolts on the sprockets, hubs, vanos pistons, new pressure valve filter, and even replaced a "damaged" electrical connector for the solenoid coil pack.




The VANOS codes are gone (at least for now, the car wasn't driven, but the code used to pop right back up before), the only error code shown now is for the DME cooling fan and it's because it's not connected.


The vanos shows "adapted", the intake cam works 100% perfect, but the exhaust is not going to it's target.


When the car idles and target is 0, the cam shows 0-2, which is okay, but when we blip the throttle and target angle goes to 13-14, actual value doesn't follow it. Most of the time it only goes up to 3-4 degrees.

We'll try swapping cam sensors and even the whole vanos unit to isolate the problem, but it's time consuming.

If anybody has ideas, please share.
Just an idea : from my understanding the car lifted the head. It was repaired and now cams r not working. Have u checked to see if the cam is binding because the head could be slightly warped? It should move freely with Vanos partially removed... Ie when the setting timing...

Just re read this and u said car was running so cams must be freely moving. My bad


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So, here is the status report.
First, the progress.
We did all new seals and new bolts on the sprockets, hubs, vanos pistons, new pressure valve filter, and even replaced a "damaged" electrical connector for the solenoid coil pack.




The VANOS codes are gone (at least for now, the car wasn't driven, but the code used to pop right back up before), the only error code shown now is for the DME cooling fan and it's because it's not connected.


The vanos shows "adapted", the intake cam works 100% perfect, but the exhaust is not going to it's target.


When the car idles and target is 0, the cam shows 0-2, which is okay, but when we blip the throttle and target angle goes to 13-14, actual value doesn't follow it. Most of the time it only goes up to 3-4 degrees.

We'll try swapping cam sensors and even the whole vanos unit to isolate the problem, but it's time consuming.

If anybody has ideas, please share.
I put my valve body in an ultrasonic cleaner u might have a clogged oil gallery. Have u replaced the selinoid ( black plastic) they r prone to fail.


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Tom. What do you think about the ProEFI, and the driveability of your car?
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