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Old 12-21-2011, 06:43 PM   #1
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Alignment tie-rods seized

doing an alignment and found stupid tie-rods seized. the guy tried to loosen them but snapped one off.
$80 alignment turned out to be $680 repair job.
ahhhh...
there goes my Christmas gift + a week worth of salary.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:30 PM   #2
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Ouch. Shop liable?
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:36 PM   #3
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crazy litigeous americans. Just be thankful that it didn't snap while driving and pay the bill.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:45 PM   #4
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Ouch. Shop liable?
not really since its due to old parts.
good thing that shop gave me $20 off per hour for labor and also covers rental.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:30 PM   #5
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wow.. $680? parts are about $240.. labor $440? did he snap both sides?
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:31 PM   #6
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wow.. $680? parts are about $240.. labor $440? did he snap both sides?
parts from BMW dealer so about $380 which includes a boot kit with new boots and stuff cuz the old ones are not reusable. $680 includes parts, labor, alignment, and tax.
its a Mazda dealer I take my Mazda to, they are pretty honest people. plus they gave me a rental for three days cuz they have to wait for parts.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:36 PM   #7
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680 is too much.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:48 PM   #8
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Dude I don't wanna make you feel like crap cuz it's near xmas time and all but that is crazy expensive.

OEM tierods are like $150 a piece max.

The boots are definitely re-usable.

I've replaced completely seized tierods within a half hour with hand tools working on the ground.

A shop should be able to do both sides in 30 minutes. It takes less time to do than the alignment itself.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:55 PM   #9
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I'm totally not an expert, but I did write up a tie rod DIY (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=779009) after replacing my tie rods and agree with the others, that sounds WAY expensive. The labour is trivial, especially in a shop that can get the car in the air and has the right ball joint separator. Unless the boots are ripped, you can definitely reuse them.

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Old 12-22-2011, 12:01 AM   #10
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I took a peek at PelicanParts to run the numbers, btw. They sell "super kits" that include two tie rods, boots, and clamps, for $220. Figure an hour labour to install at someting like $100/hr, and then the alignment is $80 as you stated above. That comes to $400.

Even if you account for the parts pricing that takes you up another $160 to $560. They're still off by $100. They charging you for two hours labour?

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I'm pretty sure my alignment took 4x longer than the actual tie-rod replacement.
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dude I would have been fuming. Old parts or not, shops are liable for sh!t like this
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This makes the tie-rod replacement a breeze. Highly recommended.
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Non oem replacement tie rods are much cheaper. My drivers side outer tie rod took about 3 days to get off with constant pb blaster soaking and some torching . That area where outer rod screws onto inner is the worst.
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thanks guys. all appreciate really.
the car is a the dealer, if I could do it myself, I would but sadly I cant this time. just outta luck.
I agree labor is a bit high, but its a dealer so they do by the book and quoted me 1.8 hours to do the job so I dont know but I guess it should take less than that I need to ask.
as for boots, dealers rarely reuse things like that cuz they will be liable if there's problem down the road.
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Non oem replacement tie rods are much cheaper. My drivers side outer tie rod took about 3 days to get off with constant pb blaster soaking and some torching . That area where outer rod screws onto inner is the worst.
Non OEM replacement tie rods will last much shorter. Lems, or TRW is the way to go. Not Febi-Bilsteins, not Meyles, and definitely not that Karlyn POS.
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Old 12-22-2011, 11:59 AM   #17
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my alignment guy told me on my last alignment that he wasn't going to be able to do another one with my current tie rods because they would snap next time and his shop doesn't allow me to bring parts. I woulda been in the same boat if they had snapped so I had new ones ordered and installed and then went to get an alignment. Parts and labor was like 300 and I bought boots as well but the guy that did them re-used the old ones because they were fine. I bought a 2 year alignment when I got tires so that didn't cost me anything. I get an alignment about once every three months because it is always out of spec. Still trying to figure that one out.
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dude I would have been fuming. Old parts or not, shops are liable for sh!t like this
Stuff breaks, customer pays. Deal with it. A good shop will f up very little and retain your business, but nothing lasts forever.
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