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Old 02-16-2017, 12:38 AM   #1
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Looking for another car!!! need some advice

i had a tree branch fall on my 00 323ci and dented the roof rail in 6 spots also denting the fender and door all in the same taking off the drivers side mirror....any ways geico says its totaled. So now im looking for a 330ci and found a nice looking 06 330ci was just curios the big differences in the face lifted versions if any, thank you in advance trying to make the best of this situation.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:46 AM   #2
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Front fenders, turn signals, headlights, and I believe tail lights.
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Face lifted models are better in almost every way because BMW used the pre facelift models as the Guinea pig before fixing the issue with the introduction of the facelift
They also put the newer engines, electronics and transmission in them compared to that older e36 style stuff in the early pre facelift

But my personal opinion is that the pre facelift models look better then the newer facelift models and the M engineers thought the same that's why they have the older style headlights and body line


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Face lift and pre face lift are the same car with a slight cosmetic change. If the turn signal points up its face lifted if it goes down its pre. Engines are exactly the same.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:07 AM   #5
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Face lift and pre face lift are the same car with a slight cosmetic change. If the turn signal points up its face lifted if it goes down its pre. Engines are exactly the same.


Engines are different

The pre facelifts have updated e36 engines with duel VANOS

323 has a m52tub25
328 m52tub28

Facelift have the newer m54 style duel VANOS engine that was designed for the E46

325 has the m54b35
330 has the same engine despite the facelift m54b30


They also have different body panels
Facelift

Pre facelift


The headlights, indicators, bonnet, kidneys, fenders, tail lights, shark fin and bumpers"body kit" are different.

in the pictures they both have the m tech 2 body kit that was only available on facelift models but can be fitted to a pre facelift






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Old 02-16-2017, 01:23 AM   #6
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The newer models (facelift) have more features and some better quality parts. Newer is better, lower mileage is better.
This wiki describes all the differences over the years and will likely answer your question.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php/BMW_E46
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:50 AM   #7
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Engines are different

The pre facelifts have updated e36 engines with duel VANOS

323 has a m52tub25
328 m52tub28

Facelift have the newer m54 style duel VANOS engine that was designed for the E46

325 has the m54b35
330 has the same engine despite the facelift m54b30
Not in the States where the OP is from. The preface was also sold with the M54.
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One thing to consider with cars that have the M54: it burns oil. The M52 doesn't really do that but those were found in early cars which are more susceptible to subframe cracking. Ultimately you have to pick your battle but if you are fine with adding a quart of oil every 1000 miles or so I guess you'll be alright. Facelift cars are better in almost every way over the prefacelift cars
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One thing to consider with cars that have the M54: it burns oil.
Well, specifically the B30 because of the rings, the B25 not so much. I don't have to add any. Really not a deal breaker though. A quart every thousand miles seems extreme.
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Well, specifically the B30 because of the rings, the B25 not so much. I don't have to add any. Really not a deal breaker though. A quart every thousand miles seems extreme.
Right, but if you're going to get another E46 you're most likely going to want the 330i. Just food for thought
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Not in the States where the OP is from. The preface was also sold with the M54.
I was also going to correct his post, but was too lazy and instead just posted the link to the E46 wiki which explains everything in detail.

Stavro, you may want to correct/clarify your post?
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I was also going to correct his post, but was too lazy and instead just posted the link to the E46 wiki which explains everything in detail.

Stavro, you may want to correct/clarify your post?
Must be market differences, like a '98 E46 which we didn't get in the States.
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Must be market differences, like a '98 E46 which we didn't get in the States.


I accept I'm wrong in some ways, there are pre facelift 325,330 sedans tho quite rare. They have the m54 style engines I could go into detail but was just roughly trying to explain the op the difference between his 323 and 330 facelift


All the the 98-200 models pre facelift models 318,323,328 all had the updated e36 engines tho

The 325 and 330 came out in 01 the same year the facelift came out for the sedan but a few of the really early 01 cars had the pre facelift body with the newer m54's


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I was also going to correct his post, but was too lazy and instead just posted the link to the E46 wiki which explains everything in detail.



Stavro, you may want to correct/clarify your post?


I suppose I'm wrong in some ways but I think I mostly explain the op the difference


Early pre facelift 323,328 have the older engines
Most the 325,330 have the newer engines
Body changes
And the much better steering wheel


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Not in the States where the OP is from. The preface was also sold with the M54.


I screwed up a little because I was comparing sedans not couples but it's quite similar info apart from the fact that every 325, 330 facelift or not have the m54 engines
The facelift for sedans came out in 01 s the same year the 325 and 330 were released so most of them are face lifted but a few escaped with the new engines and older body


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thank you for all the advice i think i will go out and look at this 06, i had no real issues with my 323ci for the last 5 years i owned it besides normal car stuff ie "Brakes, tires, oil changes" and a handful of sensors "oil level, coolant temp"
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Well, specifically the B30 because of the rings, the B25 not so much. I don't have to add any. Really not a deal breaker though. A quart every thousand miles seems extreme.
I thought the rings were the same between the B25 and B30. The B30 is simply a stroked B25. Longer bores do make the rings travel more. Maybe that's reason they seem to burn more oil?

BTW, my B30 (with 128K on it) doesn't burn a drop of oil. I have an '06. Maybe they improved the rings in the later years?
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went to look at the 06...and didn't like some of the signs " been towed" for some reason and the dealer was kinda shady to me about the whole situation....went home and then i found a nice looking 03 330i, haven't been much of a 4 door guy but the price is right and the miles are low so i'm going go see what this one is all about.
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went to look at the 06...and didn't like some of the signs " been towed" for some reason and the dealer was kinda shady to me about the whole situation....went home and then i found a nice looking 03 330i, haven't been much of a 4 door guy but the price is right and the miles are low so i'm going go see what this one is all about.
Good call It's possible the car has been overheated if it had to be towed.
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yeah this has turned out to be a giant headache i wish i didnt live near trees to begin with,i hate trying to find a car online because every time i think i found a car i like they do not have it and have not removed the listing.
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