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Old 02-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #21
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Did you get the RM6.2? Some of the reference series look beastly! For me it's between DLS and Hybrid Audio.

Also I am using the stock H/K midrange crossed to a ring radiator tweeter via an inline cap for the time being... hence the 1khz crossover to the midrange.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:16 PM   #22
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Yep! Just got the tracking number. My buddy is a dealer, got the set for cheap! The CDTs are good, but this current set are the Classics not the HD or better. I loved my HDs, but the classics don't have the same punch. My buddy says the DLS are going to blow me away, and that the T25 silk domes are some of the smoothest he's ever heard, regardless of price (sold!) and he works with some really high end drivers.

(it's such a sickness, isn't it???)

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Old 02-23-2012, 08:39 PM   #23
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Scott- did you ever get this issue resolved? I'd like to use all four of the nav unit's channel outputs into the MS-8 if at all possible.
Yes, I did. The trick was exactly as Radar said (so do the instructions, BTW ): If only four speakers are installed, the rears are defined as the sides in the MS-8.

I continue to tune it, the default settings for Frt/Sub xover/slope didn't work well for me, but I'm getting there.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:02 PM   #24
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Scott, try setting the sides/rears at 100hz @ 24 db (high pass), regardless of how big they are. The unit likes that for some reason.

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Scott, try setting the sides/rears at 100hz @ 24 db (high pass), regardless of how big they are. The unit likes that for some reason.
Sorry, that's if you have a dedicated subwoofer.
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Also Jeff, care to elaborate on what drove you crazy about it?
Im from the old school, where it was all about speaker placement, angles, countless hours with the RTA, and a bunch of voodoo. I had to throw all that out the window and let the MS-8 do what the MS-8 does.....and trust that Andy and the Engineers at JBL know what they are doing.....and they do.

Basically I tried about a million configurations and ultimately got the best results with the simplist setup.....properly set up inputs, level match outputs, use high crossover points, use 2V gain on my amps like Andy said to.

But I have an E92....and there are some known ....issues....with this car and the MS-8, so that had me doing this a lot....

But the end result is BY FAR the best sounding system I have had in my 20 year involvement in car audio.

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Thanks Radar, I'll give that a go.
I do have a dedicated sub.
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:38 PM   #28
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Bump! So how are the DLS speakers?
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Believe it or not...still sitting in the box!

I've been so damn busy, no chance to install the way I want to.

I ordered 40 feet of KnuConceptz speaker wire ($12) that I want to run from the amp to the front mid-woofers. Then I'll use the OEM mid-woofer cables on the new tweets. Then I can forget about those tiny OEM tweet wires completely.

I want to do it my next two-days off, thurs and fri, because I'm driving 5 hours to Atlanta on the 7th of June...perfect "break-in" road trip: with the wife so I can't crank them up TOO loud, nice long trip for the coils and everything to get their synergy on, and for the spider and surrounds to stretch out nicely. Can't wait. Then get drunk-drunk! Lol

Wish me luck!

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use high crossover points
Like how high?

What slope?

Curious...
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Andy @ JBL recommends 85hz @ 24db IIRC...
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Oh, yeah bass to mid-bass I am running close to that, 80@24.

Not sure that's what Jeff was talking about though.

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yes, thats what I mean, in the old days, conventional wisdom said the lower the xover the better when it came to "bass up front" etc... playing the midbass as far down as you could was a goal....

WIth the MS8 you want to play every driver in its comfort zone, Although I think I ended up at about 80hz I did try running my sub up to 100hz and it sounded pretty damn good! That would NEVER happen without the MS8. On the DIYMA threads Andy went into detail about the physics of this, and frankly it was above my area of expertise, but ill take his word on it because it worked!

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oh.....and steep slopes seem to work best, I think Im running 24db on all the xovers.

.....and Im running the sides hpf at 200hz.

And actually Im no longer even using a trunk sub....but thats a topic for somewhere else as its in an E92 and the setup is quite a bit different than the E46...

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Oh, yeah bass to mid-bass I am running close to that, 80@24.

Not sure that's what Jeff was talking about though.

Jeff?
I've experimented quite a bit with tuning, and came to 80@24 for my configuration too. Glad to see others running the same kind of cross point and slope with success. btw the system looks clean.
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Ok then. Yes, nothing new for me as I was using the Alpine amp line (and no external xover) which has one option for the hp, and thats 80Hz! Lol

I am using steep slopes as well. Everything pretty much "MS-8 standard", but I have my rear/side speakers starting at 100 (per A.W.), but maybe I'll try 200 just for giggles; mine are CDT 5.25" coax so it really doesn't matter.
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I am using steep slopes as well. Everything pretty much "MS-8 standard", but I have my rear/side speakers starting at 100 (per A.W.), but maybe I'll try 200 just for giggles; mine are CDT 5.25" coax so it really doesn't matter.
100 or 200 isnt going to matter much on the sides....fade back onto them and listen to what they are playing, not much! I doubt you would be able to hear any difference. 200hz would be easier on them....although 100hz isnt going to hurt them either.
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