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Old 03-25-2012, 01:15 PM   #81
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well, just for reference, a weight with all that and loaded of between 7 and 8 pounds is really impressive.

An M4, loaded with one 30 round magazine, with sling attached, is (IIRC) 7.5 pounds. 14.5 inch barrel, steel magazine, and strap sling. So if you're in that ballpark with all the extras, like I said, really impressive.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:46 PM   #82
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well, just for reference, a weight with all that and loaded of between 7 and 8 pounds is really impressive.

An M4, loaded with one 30 round magazine, with sling attached, is (IIRC) 7.5 pounds. 14.5 inch barrel, steel magazine, and strap sling. So if you're in that ballpark with all the extras, like I said, really impressive.
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Btw...I forgot to mentioned this but u do have a cool rifle.

All rifles are cool (already implied) but just want to make sure u don't think I am hating on u.

Going back to the weight...believed it or not but they do make carbon fiber barrel. I don't know too much about it though. I have a steel barrel and one chrome lined barrel.

My comment about the cco was meant to help u. Don't base your setup on what u see on YouTube (so many incorrect things can be found in there). Instead just go to your local range and talk to the range master or military folks.

My beef with YouTube is that all the weapons they show are all pimp out for show and for the cool factor. For example...that one video...does the owner even need that PEQ 4? I don't know why a cilivian would ever need one (ir strobe light and ir laser for target designation).

They also mount their cco in the front and have a co exist iron flip sight. If their cco dies then their backup sight is useless because now they have this huge paperweight blocking their view of vision.

Try this stupid and silly example with me and u will see my point..

Hold your cell phone...6-12 inches away from u. Stare direclty at your cell phone (for tunnel vision effect) and noticed your view of vision.

Do the same thing with your cell phone but put it close to your eyes as possible (or even 1-3 inches away). Stare directly at your phone and notice the view of vision.

If done correctly...the close approach has better view of vision. If your cco is far away...both eyes will focus on your "failed" optics and u will have limited view.

If the cco is close then u will be able to "see through/over/around/etc" your "failed cco.' Only one eye will be somewhat block but your non firing eye will take over and do the searching and scanning for u.

The cco was designed to be shot/view with both eyes opened. I never shot with my non firing eyes close

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:02 PM   #84
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Btw...I forgot to mentioned this but u do have a cool rifle.

All rifles are cool (already implied) but just want to make sure u don't think I am hating on u.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:06 PM   #85
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i am glad we are cool. no hard feelings? wanna pet my cat ?
Of course we are cool, and as I stated before I was never offended. Sorry I will have to decline your offer, I'm allergic to cats. My ex had one in which I had a allergic reaction with. I have a scar tissue on my cornea for rubbing my eyes so hard, which almost medically disqualified me from flying

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My beef with YouTube is that all the weapons they show are all pimp out for show and for the cool factor. For example...that one video...does the owner even need that PEQ 4? I don't know why a cilivian would ever need one (ir strobe light and ir laser for target designation).
Those two in the video were the owner's of Magpul. They teach tactical carbine courses for everyday civilians to LEO, SWAT, Military, and spec op guys. Train how you fight is the saying of the military. Not sure why Costa still had a PEQ 4, because I'm pretty sure he was out of the military along with any contracting jobs. On the other hand Haley (the second guy), was a Force Recon Marine and worked as a private contractor (believe one was with Blackwater).
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i have seen worst. i seen people with bi-pods on their AR-15 at the range every time I visit. the AR-15 is not a sniper rifle (max effective range 500 meters for point target) so I am always curious why people put pi-pods on them. I guess it looks cool but it is so impartical.



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Why is a bipod impractical? Even if you're just shooting prairie dogs at 100 yards they come in handy.

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this is just my opinion but...

the m4 was design as an assualt rifle for the miitary (especially the manuevering force). You shoot, you move and you communicate. this mean you are trying to out flank and get close to them enough for you to destroy them. therefore, it is very rare that you will stand still in one place to snipe someone or stay long enough to suppressed the enemy.

the M4 (although the can do this) is not design to fixed (supressed) the enemy and not design for sniping (long distance). I always associate bi/tri-pods for weapons that are used for fixing and sniping or even for heavy weapons that needed extra support (such as machine gun or heavy weapons).

so if the guys in uniform wants to fixed the enemy he will use a machine gun. if he wants to reach out and touch the enemey (long distance) he will use a sniper rifle. (again...the M4 can suppress the enemy just like any weapon but how effective is it when it can only hold 30 rounds and only shot in 3 round burst).

so back to your question. for combat (I don't claim to know anything about combat and never served in the military) but I think the pi-pod doesnt fit the roles and design criteria meant for the M4. However, for cilivian uses i think the bi-pod is great for shooting paper targets, cans and parie dogs when time and threat isn't an issue.
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Of course we are cool, and as I stated before I was never offended. Sorry I will have to decline your offer, I'm allergic to cats. My ex had one in which I had a allergic reaction with. I have a scar tissue on my cornea for rubbing my eyes so hard, which almost medically disqualified me from flying



Those two in the video were the owner's of Magpul. They teach tactical carbine courses for everyday civilians to LEO, SWAT, Military, and spec op guys. Train how you fight is the saying of the military. Not sure why Costa still had a PEQ 4, because I'm pretty sure he was out of the military along with any contracting jobs. On the other hand Haley (the second guy), was a Force Recon Marine and worked as a private contractor (believe one was with Blackwater).

i am not claiming these guys don't know what they are doing. what they are doing is impressive and fun to watch but since they work for Magpul they are trying to sell their products. since they are teaching "small arms tactics" they want to make themselves look bad ass as possible by pimping out their guns.

for example...do they really need to have a flash light mounted? yes, it looks cool but do they really need it in the day and while they were filimg this video. the same could be said about the PEQ4 or PEQ2 (in relations to filming this video).

here are some pictures I pulled off the internet of Navy Seal, ODA, and Army Rangers. Noticed how all of they have their CCO mounted as close to their backup/co-exist sight as possible? also, noticed how their weapons are configured for the occassion (ie..no suppressors for non stealthy mission, no flash light for day time ops, etc)

http://mydailyclarity.com/2009/04/mo...ded-for-obama/
http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...fghanistan.php
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...c7wx6.jpg/sr=1
http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...r-regiment.php
http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...my-rangers.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR...y_SEALs_01.jpg
http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2011/10/...-go-green.html

the m4 is highly modular (due to its pictanny rails system). therefore, it takes less than a nano second (yes..exaggeration) for them to remove and install stuff. one of the biggest complaint with guys in the line is weight. therefore, they don't want to carry uneccesary stuff if they don't have to (due to extra weight).

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check this pic again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR...y_SEALs_01.jpg

and this

http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...my-rangers.php

and this

http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...r-regiment.php

I see weapon mods (flashlights).

I have a flashlight mounted on my self defense AR, and its the same one I train with. His model gun is a Sig Swat, and it comes with a flashlight/vertical grip because its made for that low lighting/nighttimey (yea I make words up)/breaching application. It doesnt matter where you mount that eotech, it has unlimited eye relief. Lots of people with ARs keep it forward so it doesnt interfere with the bolt release. People with AKs have to stick them way farther down. But flash is right, it is wiser to keep it closer to you to increase the field of view, allowing you to engage multiple targets in your optics sight without wasting time/getting situated.
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this is just my opinion but...

the m4 was design as an assualt rifle for the miitary (especially the manuevering force). You shoot, you move and you communicate. this mean you are trying to out flank and get close to them enough for you to destroy them. therefore, it is very rare that you will stand still in one place to snipe someone or stay long enough to suppressed the enemy.

the M4 (although the can do this) is not design to fixed (supressed) the enemy and not design for sniping (long distance). I always associate bi/tri-pods for weapons that are used for fixing and sniping or even for heavy weapons that needed extra support (such as machine gun or heavy weapons).

so if the guys in uniform wants to fixed the enemy he will use a machine gun. if he wants to reach out and touch the enemey (long distance) he will use a sniper rifle. (again...the M4 can suppress the enemy just like any weapon but how effective is it when it can only hold 30 rounds and only shot in 3 round burst).

so back to your question. for combat (I don't claim to know anything about combat and never served in the military) but I think the pi-pod doesnt fit the roles and design criteria meant for the M4. However, for cilivian uses i think the bi-pod is great for shooting paper targets, cans and parie dogs when time and threat isn't an issue.
The AR is a light weight, extremely accurate, small centerfire caliber rifle that is perfect for varmint and predator hunting. For most people buying them for non military use, a bipod or monopod makes a ton of sense. I wouldn't blink at seeing one at a range.

Check out http://www.predatormastersforums.com...oard=71&page=1 - this is the Predator Masters AR subforum. The AR is an extremely popular platform for small game (coyote, bobcat, prairie dog, sage rat etc.) hunting. Larger caliber AR's (.308, 6.8) are popular for hogs and deer.
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I have a few thoughts:

1). Why isn't this in the Gun Talk Subforum?

2). Flashtwosix, how come I never see you posting in there?

3). OP, nice rifle. Never been a fan of the Sig platform myself, but it's nice looking. Vertical grip should go though. I'll throw mine in here for the hell of it along with my newest acquisition, my Arsenal Classic AK.

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The AR is a light weight, extremely accurate, small centerfire caliber rifle that is perfect for varmint and predator hunting. For most people buying them for non military use, a bipod or monopod makes a ton of sense. I wouldn't blink at seeing one at a range.

Check out http://www.predatormastersforums.com...oard=71&page=1 - this is the Predator Masters AR subforum. The AR is an extremely popular platform for small game (coyote, bobcat, prairie dog, sage rat etc.) hunting. Larger caliber AR's (.308, 6.8) are popular for hogs and deer.
Agree...that is why I bought one for myself. They even make 21 inch model for marksmanship competition...Omg

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Can we just delete the entire thread? My god....my head hurts after reading all of this.
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Someone backed down from a bet from a woman.

I actually assumed Flash knew something about weaponry given her place of work. Not really surprised.
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Someone backed down from a bet from a woman.

I actually assumed Flash knew something about weaponry given her place of work. Not really surprised.
You actually think someone is really going to give the other person 1k? I don't have anything against her, I just don't think she can do it.
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