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Old 08-03-2012, 10:24 AM   #2121
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Can you figure out a way to stop every shooting of every person before it happens so we don't ever have to argue about whether it was justified after the fact?

Cuz unless you can do that, this is how its gonna go down.

If you've got a way, count me in.
That's not an answer. It's a cop out.
Arming stupid people doesn't stop shooting of every person. In fact that's exactly why we are in this thread. Mother of all ironies.
Do you have a way to screen out stupid people from owning a gun?
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Once again, you don't have to be near death.

In fear of SERIOUS BODILY INJURY is Florida law.

If you don't feel that getting your head smack against concrete repeatedly after getting your nose broken is serious bodily injury, then you are much tougher than I am.
A Zimmerman bullet killed a boy who was walking through a neighborhood.

I'd call that "serious bodily injury".
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:22 AM   #2123
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That's not an answer. It's a cop out.
Arming stupid people doesn't stop shooting of every person. In fact that's exactly why we are in this thread. Mother of all ironies.
Do you have a way to screen out stupid people from owning a gun?




Do you? (please don't tell me something stupid like laws and paperwork.)
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:23 AM   #2124
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A Zimmerman bullet killed a boy who was walking through a neighborhood.

I'd call that "serious bodily injury".
Like I said Glockman, hardparking troll. Don't waste your time.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:51 PM   #2125
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Of course.

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Old 08-03-2012, 01:02 PM   #2126
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That's not an answer. It's a cop out.
Arming stupid people doesn't stop shooting of every person. In fact that's exactly why we are in this thread. Mother of all ironies.
Do you have a way to screen out stupid people from owning a gun?
No, your reply was a cop out to begin with. People have been killing people for all of history. First it was probably with bare hands and teeth. Then came rocks. Then came sharp rocks. Then sharp bronze stuff. Along came increasingly fast projectiles. Poison, electricity, drowning, cars, explosions, exposure, starvation, facesitting fat chicks and myriad others were added to the quiver over the centuries.

People are killing people today. There are no indications that people will stop killing people any time in the future.

We will always be dealing with a person that killed another person. So there will always be survivors "battling the definition out in court".

Saying that we should stop people from killing people because the definition of justified vs unjustified killings is a difficult battle to have is not going to solve anything.

If you disagree with the FL law, post the law and state how you'd change it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:01 PM   #2127
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Of course.

Valid point = troll.
Valid point. Right. He wasn't shot because he was walking. He got shot because he was assaulting the person. Like I said, troll gonna troll.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:05 PM   #2128
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None of this would've happend if Zimm stayed in the car and let the police handle it.

If you approach me with gun and no badge I'm fighting for my life too.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:29 PM   #2129
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None of this would've happend if Zimm stayed in the car and let the police handle it.

If you approach me with gun and no badge I'm fighting for my life too.
1) No evidence he was approached at all.
2) Gun did not make an appearance until WELL into the incident.
3) There would be no police if Zimmerman didn't call them
4) You fail at our justice system. Zimmerman has a right as a resident to be suspicious. If there is someone walking around my building that I don't know (6 apartments) you better believe I'm going to see what they are doing when my wife and daughter are sleeping upstairs. The fact that he "handled" it has absolutely nothing to do with this case. The case is simple, did he have the right to shoot Martin? Under Florida law, and the evidence of his beating, yes, he did. Period. Everything else Lair is bullsh!tting about simply doesn't matter. Martin walking doesn't matter. His hoodie doesn't matter. Skittles don't matter. Rain doesn't matter. What matters is did Martin beat up Zimmerman, was Zimmerman in reasonable fear, and that is it.
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Do you? (please don't tell me something stupid like laws and paperwork.)
You really don't understand half of what you read... or do you not read?
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No, your reply was a cop out to begin with. People have been killing people for all of history. First it was probably with bare hands and teeth. Then came rocks. Then came sharp rocks. Then sharp bronze stuff. Along came increasingly fast projectiles. Poison, electricity, drowning, cars, explosions, exposure, starvation, facesitting fat chicks and myriad others were added to the quiver over the centuries.

People are killing people today. There are no indications that people will stop killing people any time in the future.

We will always be dealing with a person that killed another person. So there will always be survivors "battling the definition out in court".

Saying that we should stop people from killing people because the definition of justified vs unjustified killings is a difficult battle to have is not going to solve anything.

If you disagree with the FL law, post the law and state how you'd change it.
You started well, but made a huge leap there. Let's backtrack.
"... Along came increasingly fast projectiles..."
At one point in the wild wild west, everybody was armed, just like you gun-ho folks are advocating.
Why did society move away from that model?
Despite your refusal to understand or admit, we moved away. Some of you folks are trying to bring it back. So it's you onus to prove your case.
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1) No evidence he was approached at all.
2) Gun did not make an appearance until WELL into the incident.
3) There would be no police if Zimmerman didn't call them
4) You fail at our justice system. Zimmerman has a right as a resident to be suspicious.
1) No evidence Zimmerman was approached either.

2) That's what Zimmerman Says but is it true?

3) I agree. All Zimm had to do is call police (which he did) and stay his a$$ in the car, after the dispatcher said. "we don't need you to do that"

4) Of course Zimm had a right to be suspicious, Me no fail at the justice system. But you believing in one side of the story is quite hilarious.
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1) No evidence Zimmerman was approached either.

2) That's what Zimmerman Says but is it true?

3) I agree. All Zimm had to do is call police (which he did) and stay his a$$ in the car, after the dispatcher said. "we don't need you to do that"

4) Of course Zimm had a right to be suspicious, Me no fail at the justice system. But you believing in one side of the story is quite hilarious.
1) There is. His face was busted up. He didn't punch himself. There is evidence that Treyvon assaulted him.

2) Do you have evidence otherwise? The evidence is in Zimmerman's favor. If Martin saw Zimmerman holding a gun, do you think he was stupid enough to attack anyway, and if Zimmerman was indeed holding the gun, does it make sense that he took such a beating before using it? No. In court, your theory wouldn't stand for two seconds.

3) You have no evidence that he didn't. He lives there, and has a right to walk around the development. There is zero evidence he was going after Martin. His story is that he was walking to the front of the townhomes to see the address, and he quite clearly told the police almost a minute after he was told to stop "following" that he had no idea where Martin is.

4) What's the other side of the story? That is not how our justice system works. The "other side" is now made up by other individuals. Is the system perfect? No, but it's what we have. The prosecution's job is to find out if the defendants story holds water, and in Zimmerman's case, there is almost nothing that proves otherwise.
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You started well, but made a huge leap there. Let's backtrack.
"... Along came increasingly fast projectiles..."
At one point in the wild wild west, everybody was armed, just like you gun-ho folks are advocating.
Why did society move away from that model?
Despite your refusal to understand or admit, we moved away. Some of you folks are trying to bring it back. So it's you onus to prove your case.
Research the origins of gun control. Gun control was started by the DEMOCRATS to keep guns away from blacks. It was yet another power the government aquired, and over the years, grew it into a monster.


http://nation.foxnews.com/ann-coulte...arm-themselves

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

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None of this would've happend if Zimm stayed in the car and let the police handle it.

If you approach me with gun and no badge I'm fighting for my life too.
You get approached all the time and somehow you manage to avoid attacking your approachers and making them fear for their lives. So what do you do or not do that makes you different from Trayvon?

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You started well, but made a huge leap there. Let's backtrack.
"... Along came increasingly fast projectiles..."
At one point in the wild wild west, everybody was armed, just like you gun-ho folks are advocating.
Why did society move away from that model?
Despite your refusal to understand or admit, we moved away. Some of you folks are trying to bring it back. So it's you onus to prove your case.


First of all, cite a reliable source that "everybody was armed" in the wild wild west. Don't believe everything Hollywood teaches you about history. You'll find that the saloon packed with six-shooter slinging cowboys is a fictious fabrication.

Second, was the per-capita murder rate higher or lower than it is today? And what other cultural and environmental factors played into that besides just gun ownership?
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Care to disprove it? Didn't think so troll. Trollin ain't easy but it's necessary...
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You mean they got ONE right?

If I ever see Zimmerman walking toward me, he's going down. I'm not going to give anyone the opportunity to kill me and manufacture a story to justify it. It's not like he hasn't done it before.
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You mean they got ONE right?

If I ever see Zimmerman walking toward me, he's going down. I'm not going to give anyone the opportunity to kill me and manufacture a story to justify it. It's not like he hasn't done it before.
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A trial won't prove anything other than my original projection: Zimmerman will walk away from a central FL whitebread courtroom. He's a hero to his peers (chickensh*t thugs who wannbe cops).
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