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Old 12-05-2012, 05:40 PM   #2281
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Yes, they tell me that Zimmerman attacked the wrong innocent kid.
So tell me Lair, that woman that was murdered by Jovan Belcher, the KC Chiefs football player; was she responsible for Belcher's death ? And compelling him to blow his head off in front of the coach ?

I mean after all, Jovan Belcher was a big football player and he was upset about having a bad year (every year is bad for KC), he had a lot of stress on him for making 1.93M and only working 6 months a year .

He was probably from a tough neighborhood with limited opportunities and that woman sent him over the edge. It's her fault she pissed him off to the point of her being shot to death. People should be sensitive to the needs of NFL players from tough backgrounds.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:48 PM   #2282
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What's inconceivable about not believing a murderer's version of events?

The guy stalked and killed another human being, and you're willing to take his word for anything?
You're speculating that Zimmerman is a murderer. You can't say otherwise without a doubt unless you were there and witnessed the event. At this point, you are only expressing your opinion as to what occurred based on your interpretation of what the facts are. Same goes for others on here. You could be right, or you could be wrong.

At issue, as others have mentioned, is whether or not Travon's death was justified under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law - at that point in time.

I'm not for or against Zimmerman. Currently, there appears to be evidence that corroborates both sides of the story. As I mentioned previously, I'm withholding judgement until Zimmerman is tried in court.

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Old 12-05-2012, 06:28 PM   #2283
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So tell me Lair, that woman that was murdered by Jovan Belcher, the KC Chiefs football player; was she responsible for Belcher's death ? And compelling him to blow his head off in front of the coach ?

I mean after all, Jovan Belcher was a big football player and he was upset about having a bad year (every year is bad for KC), he had a lot of stress on him for making 1.93M and only working 6 months a year .

He was probably from a tough neighborhood with limited opportunities and that woman sent him over the edge. It's her fault she pissed him off to the point of her being shot to death. People should be sensitive to the needs of NFL players from tough backgrounds.
Start a thread about it, non sequitur.


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You're speculating that Zimmerman is a murderer.
Zimmerman took the life of a 17 year old unarmed kid who was walking home.

He intitiated contact, he pulled the trigger, and he killed an unarmed 17 year old kid.

To me, that's murder.

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Old 12-05-2012, 06:37 PM   #2284
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Zimmerman took the life of a 17 year old unarmed kid who was walking home.

He intitiated contact, he pulled the trigger, and he killed an unarmed 17 year old kid.

To me, that's murder.

YMMV
He gave up chase and went to return to his vehicle. Contact was broken, Trayvon Martin re-established contact.

Under your assertion, someone could mess with me and I could get away. 10 days later I could jump them because they "initiated contact"

Also, "initiating contact" doesn't give ANYONE the right to throw punches. Again, learn the law.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:39 PM   #2285
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Zimmerman took the life of a 17 year old unarmed kid who was walking home.

He intitiated contact, he pulled the trigger, and he killed an unarmed 17 year old kid.

To me, that's murder.

YMMV
And you're entitled to your opinion. No one is contesting Zimmerman took a life. But lets distinguish between facts and opinion - especially since the facts support Zimmerman's version of events, as well as contradict.

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Old 12-05-2012, 06:55 PM   #2286
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Start a thread about it, non sequitur.




Zimmerman took the life of a 17 year old unarmed kid who was walking home.

He intitiated contact, he pulled the trigger, and he killed an unarmed 17 year old kid.

To me, that's murder.

YMMV
All evidence proves otherwise. What are you basing this on? He clearly told police on the phone call he has no idea where martin is and doesnt want to announce his address in case he is nearby.
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All evidence proves otherwise. What are you basing this on? He clearly told police on the phone call he has no idea where martin is and doesnt want to announce his address in case he is nearby.
He thinks contact is following, it isn't
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He thinks contact is following, it isn't
I guess living in the same town can be called "initiated contact."
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The only thing I can speculate is that liar is a massive troll, no one can be that ignorant, right?
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I guess living in the same town can be called "initiated contact."
i talked to somebody online via chat once...i initiated contact.
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So how long until Zimmerman is acquitted, counter sues the media for slander and retires with suitcases full of hundreds?
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The only thing I can speculate is that liar is a massive troll, no one can be that ignorant, right?
Nope, this is who is he. He's been banned from several forums under several names, dude is actually the guy posting.
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Now read the rest:
I'd suggest you read it as well. You're all willing to take the word of a known thug who's had problems with law in ther past - apparently because the kid he killed was black. I can see no other reason why anyone would support George Zimmerman.

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All evidence proves otherwise.
Horseshlt. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car instead of trying to act like a cop, Trayvon Martin would be alive. Zimmerman had no right to stalk, confront, question, or otherwise fvck with a kid who was walking through his own neighborhood.

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Nope, this is who is he. He's been banned from several forums under several names, dude is actually the guy posting.


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I'd suggest you read it as well. You're all willing to take the word of a known thug who's had problems with law in ther past - apparently because the kid he killed was black. I can see no other reason why anyone would support George Zimmerman.



Horseshlt. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car instead of trying to act like a cop, Trayvon Martin would be alive. Zimmerman had no right to stalk, confront, question, or otherwise fvck with a kid who was walking through his own neighborhood.





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Loud noises. You're dancing like an idiot. There is CLEAR evidence that Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was, it just doesn't fit your BS thought process, so you discount it. You are also wrong about the second part...everyone is allowed to confront, question, and follow someone, especially if that someone looks like the guy that just robbed a bunch of houses in the area. Troll on brother.
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Where's the "clear evidence"? My BS thought process says that no POS cop wannabe has the right to follow/stalk/confront/question anyone who's walking down a public street in his own neighborhood. Things may be that way in the Motherland, but that shlt doesn't fly here in America.
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I'd suggest you read it as well. You're all willing to take the word of a known thug who's had problems with law in ther past - apparently because the kid he killed was black. I can see no other reason why anyone would support George Zimmerman.
Really?

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I'm not for or against Zimmerman. Currently, there appears to be evidence that corroborates both sides of the story. As I mentioned previously, I'm withholding judgement until Zimmerman is tried in court.
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What I don't understand is how people (outside of family, relatives, friends) can be so certain as to whether Zimmerman is innocent, Travon is innocent, or whatever. Nothing wrong with having a stance on the issue, but to come off so strong, touting legal ramblings as such, and passing judgement is silly. I realize this is a hotly contested case, but be that as it may, I think it best to let the legal system do its thing. After all, Innocent until proven guilty in this country. Unfortunately some people think they are judge, jury, and executioner. That and the media (some, not all) sure doesn't help, especially with their lack of objectivity early on (e.g. ABC news).

The one truth that rings out is that this case is a tragedy.

I haven't followed this closely ever since the case died down, but so far I haven't formed an opinion for either side. I'll pass judgement at the final verdict.
For your own sake, I hope you're not as obtuse in real life as you are on the internet. All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with you taking a stance on the issue, but at this point, it is merely an opinion. - which is something that seems you're to proud to admit. For the third time, you could be right, or you could be wrong, but lets let the judge and jury decide in court.

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For your own sake, I hope you're not as obtuse in real life as you are on the internet. All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with you taking a stance on the issue, but at this point, it is merely an opinion. - which is something that seems you're to proud to admit. For the third time, you could be right, or you could be wrong, but lets let the judge and jury decide in court.
What?

Go back through this thread and look at my posts. They mirror yours.

A stance is fine, but beyond your, I'm not seeing stances. I'm seeing judgement passed against a 17 year old kid that was shot by a POS cop wannabe. Am I the only person who sees the overwhelming number of douches here that are willing to suck Zimmernman's c*ck?
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He gave up chase and went to return to his vehicle. Contact was broken, Trayvon Martin re-established contact.
Says who?
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What?

Go back through this thread and look at my posts. They mirror yours.

A stance is fine, but beyond your, I'm not seeing stances. I'm seeing judgement passed against a 17 year old kid that was shot by a POS cop wannabe. Am I the only person who sees the overwhelming number of douches here that are willing to suck Zimmernman's c*ck?
To be honest, I haven't followed this thread entirely and was just looking at the more recent posts on here. So apologies on that.

But agree on the judgement part. That said, I'm a firm believer in the principle of Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law. Not on e46 OT

Felt the same way with the Casey Anthony trial too.
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