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Old 12-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #2381
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Exactly. There is no evidence to have a trial in the first place so they fabricated it.
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That's your opinion.
You'll understand that I put zero trust in you (or anyone else not directly involved with the case), as you have not seen anything that was not presented by the media.
I prefer to believe the jury.
lol

well it can be inferred from NFRs2000nyc opinion that we should take everyone at their word, and generally speaking, everyone is honest and no one lies - right?

I agree, lets let a jury decide.

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Old 12-08-2012, 03:38 PM   #2382
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That's your opinion.
You'll understand that I put zero trust in you (or anyone else not directly involved with the case), as you have not seen anything that was not presented by the media.
I prefer to believe the jury.
If I understand the process correctly, first it will go to a hearing with just the judge, who will determine if there's enough evidence that the shooting was NOT self defense to justify it actually going to trial.

If the prosecution doesn't have the evidence to convince the judge that a trial is required, it won't go to a jury.

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Old 12-08-2012, 03:39 PM   #2383
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If I understand the process correctly, first it will go to a hearing with just the judge, who will determine if there's enough evidence that the shooting was NOT self defense to justify it actually going to trial.

If the prosecution doesn't have the evidence to convince the judge that a trial is required, it won't go to a jury.

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Old 12-08-2012, 03:43 PM   #2384
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well it can be inferred from NFRs2000nyc opinion that we should take everyone at their word, and generally speaking, everyone is honest and no one lies - right?

I agree, lets let a jury decide.
No. That is our system. There was and is absolutely no evidence of a crime which under Florida law makes Zimmerman immune from prosecution. Go back and watch the Dershowitz video I posted earlier. We don't take anyone at their word, but we do have a system to follow, and it wasn't. It was manipulated to please some loud mouth minorities and politicians.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:44 PM   #2385
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That's your opinion.
You'll understand that I put zero trust in you (or anyone else not directly involved with the case), as you have not seen anything that was not presented by the media. And y'all made the case that the media is not trustworthy.
I prefer to believe the jury.
Believe the jury? What jury? There is no jury and there is going to be no jury.
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well it can be inferred from NFRs2000nyc opinion that we should take everyone at their word, and generally speaking, everyone is honest and no one lies - right?
Sure, we can take a known thug's word that he NEEDED to shoot an unarmed 17 year old kid.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #2387
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No. That is our system. There was and is absolutely no evidence of a crime which under Florida law makes Zimmerman immune from prosecution. Go back and watch the Dershowitz video I posted earlier. We don't take anyone at their word, but we do have a system to follow, and it wasn't. It was manipulated to please some loud mouth minorities and politicians.
You realize all the family wanted in the first place was a closer look into the incident - a second look so to speak? It was only when they were ignored that this thing blew up.

Curious, do you have kids?

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If I understand the process correctly, first it will go to a hearing with just the judge, who will determine if there's enough evidence that the shooting was NOT self defense to justify it actually going to trial.

If the prosecution doesn't have the evidence to convince the judge that a trial is required, it won't go to a jury.

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Either way real evidence will be presented, in a formal setting.
Unlike what was presented via the media, Photoshopped/edited or whatever.
I'm amazed that a handful of folks here have tried and absolved Z based on what was reported in the media.
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I'm amazed that a handful of folks here have tried and absolved Z based on what was reported in the media.
exactly - that goes for both sides though.

Casey Anthony got off b/c the prosecution couldn't make a convincing case against her - despite the media. Whether or not she's really guilty and got off, who knows. But that's our system.

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You realize all the family wanted in the first place was a closer look into the incident - a second look so to speak? It was only when they were ignored that this thing blew up.

Curious, do you have kids?
Yes I have a daughter. As for the "all yet wanted was a second look" sorry, BS. They blew it up all over media. Police determined there was no foul play and it was a case of self defense. They didn't like that so they race baited the media. When Zimmerman walks with suitcases full of money from NBC, they are going to be even more pissed and are going to try and sue him in civil court, even though by law he is immune from a civil suit.
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exactly - that goes for both sides though.

Casey Anthony got off b/c the prosecution couldn't make a convincing case against her - despite the media. Whether or not she's really guilty and got off, who knows. But that's our system.
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exactly - that goes for both sides though.
The evidence damning in favor of Zimmerman. The actions of Martin and his pundits solidify his case even more. The media and the rest of them however decided that he needs to get the chair ASAP. Spike lee decided to terrorize his parents and the black panthers decided to put a bounty on his head. No one is putting them on trial huh? Mr I'm a minority Eric holder seems to be buddy buddy with the black panthers, that's the real tragedy.
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EiI'm amazed that a handful of folks here have tried and absolved Z based on what was reported in the media.
They're 100% convinced that he did no wrong - even though the only "facts" we know are Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman killed him.
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exactly - that goes for both sides though.

Casey Anthony got off b/c the prosecution couldn't make a convincing case against her - despite the media. Whether or not she's really guilty and got off, who knows. But that's our system.
Anthony was guilty as sh!t, but there is no evidence so there is no case. Zimmerman has evidence....100% of which is in his favor.
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They're 100% convinced that he did no wrong - even though the only "facts" we know are Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman killed him.
We know a lot more than that, you just choose to ignore all of it.
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We know a lot more than that, you just choose to ignore all of it.
Tell me what you KNOW about this case.
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Tell me what you KNOW about this case.
It's all in this thread. I destroyed any and all arguments you decided to babble. Your understanding of the legal system equates to a 3 year old.
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The evidence is damning in favor of Zimmerman. The actions of Martin and his pundits solidify his case even more. The media and the rest of them however decided that he needs to get the chair ASAP. Spike lee decided to terrorize his parents and the black panthers decided to put a bounty on his head. No one is putting them on trial huh? Mr I'm a minority Eric holder seems to be buddy buddy with the black panthers, that's the real tragedy.
For the n-th time, what you (and anyone else here) have does not meet the standard of evidence in a court room. It's hear say at best.
The fact that you're so adamantly advocating Z's innocence tells me clearly that your opinion is totally biased. You're desperately hoping that Z doesn't get convicted because that would put a serious dent in the principles you value (stand your ground, gun carry, etc). You (and all those that contributed money to Z) are using him as a poster boy for your cause. Plain and simple.
It's not justice and not how our system works.
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Yes I have a daughter. As for the "all yet wanted was a second look" sorry, BS. They blew it up all over media. Police determined there was no foul play and it was a case of self defense. They didn't like that so they race baited the media. When Zimmerman walks with suitcases full of money from NBC, they are going to be even more pissed and are going to try and sue him in civil court, even though by law he is immune from a civil suit.
Ok so you have a child. Imagine a similar scenario where your daughter was killed by the neighborhood watch captain. You mean to tell me, as a parent, that you're going to stand by and say, "well, the person who shot my daughter was well within their legal rights to do so?" That you're not going to want some questions answered? A second look?

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