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Old 04-02-2012, 12:04 AM   #261
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Logic fail.

How long did Zimmerman follow him before Trayvon noticed him?

Aggression.
You tell me. According to the 911 tape, you have no evidence of him following before the call, and no evidence after the call, the only evidence you have him "following" is 30 seconds or so. Aggressor? Did he make contact with Martin? How do you know? Witness? Tape?
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You tell me. According to the 911 tape, you have no evidence of him following before the call, and no evidence after the call, the only evidence you have him "following" is 30 seconds or so. Aggressor? Did he make contact with Martin? How do you know? Witness? Tape?
Zimmerman initiated the process, and ostensibly killed Trayvon Martin because his skull was getting bashed in. There is no eveidence that Zimmerman's skull was bashed in, or that his nose was broken.

It takes me eight minutes to find a Band-Aid.

That will stand up in court.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:13 AM   #263
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Zimmerman initiated the process, and ostensibly killed Trayvon Martin because his skull was getting bashed in. There is no eveidence that Zimmerman's skull was bashed in, or that his nose was broken.

It takes me eight minutes to find a Band-Aid.

That will stand up in court.
You (or anyone else) have no proof that he initiated anything. The fact that he followed him is not proof. Injuries of any kind = fear of death (subjective) and thus, good shoot.

I will conceed that the grand jury will probably majority vote for a trial, but in actual court? It would be a laughable case to watch.
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Zimmerman initiated the process, and ostensibly killed Trayvon Martin because his skull was getting bashed in. There is no eveidence that Zimmerman's skull was bashed in, or that his nose was broken.

It takes me eight minutes to find a Band-Aid.

That will stand up in court.
No, he was jumped while making his way back to his car.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:14 AM   #265
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if you read closer, it says that chances of it being zimmerman would have been closer to the 90% range. even more, another expert that doesnt even rely on the same technology agreed with the first one. but this is the internet and two professionals that do this for a living are wrong. you guys are right

The only thing Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Services, LLC is an expert at is marketing and publicity generation. Tom is good friends with Curtis Crowe, who is the current President of TracerTek. Curtis is listed as a lead trainer and presenter for courses the Tom runs.

Same company that just put out Easy Voice Biometrics. They are all one in the same, same address: P.O. Box 189, Windsor PA 17366. Same website design template.

Sweet deal... Get his name out there as well as the name of his buddies software. More training, software and business sales.

1. Eye Witness account that Zimmerman was on the bottom getting beat and screaming for help
2. Traytons DAD made a statement that it was NOT his son screaming on the tape.

Trumps any "expert" voice analysis lol

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Zimmerman initiated the process,

That will stand up in court.
Yes... zero evidence, zero witness account and zero proof that Zimmerman initiated an attack will stand up. Stand up like an 89 year olds erection
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The only thing Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Services, LLC is an expert at is marketing and publicity generation. Tom is good friends with Curtis Crowe, who is the current President of TracerTek. Curtis is listed as a lead trainer and presenter for courses the Tom runs.

Same company that just put out Easy Voice Biometrics. They are all one in the same, same address: P.O. Box 189, Windsor PA 17366. Same website design template.

Sweet deal... Get his name out there as well as the name of his buddies software. More training, software and business sales.

1. Eye Witness account that Zimmerman was on the bottom getting beat and screaming for help
2. Traytons DAD made a statement that it was NOT his son screaming on the tape.

Trumps any "expert" voice analysis lol


Yes... zero evidence, zero witness account and zero proof that Zimmerman initiated an attack will stand up. Stand up like an 89 year olds erection
everything is a conspiracy with you. the same guy was used in a court case years ago where the person was convicted
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Yes... zero evidence, zero witness account and zero proof that Zimmerman initiated an attack will stand up. Stand up like an 89 year olds erection.



There is the dead body - without a mark on it (aside from the gaping chest wound inflicted by Zimmerman.)
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There is the dead body - without a mark on it (aside from the gaping chest wound inflicted by Zimmerman.)
Yes, because Trayvon was punching himself
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There is the dead body - without a mark on it (aside from the gaping chest wound inflicted by Zimmerman.)
So you are saying that Trayon's body has NO marks of injury on it besides a gun shot? Indicates to me that Zimmerman made no attack or caused no injury to Trayon
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Yes, because Trayvon was punching himself
Zimmerman couldn't leave a mark on a 17 year old kid that he outweighed by 75 pounds?

He must be a giant pvssy.
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Zimmerman couldn't leave a mark on a 17 year old kid that he outweighed by 75 pounds?

He must be a giant pvssy.
Further proof that Zimmerman caused no injury to Trayton.
Further justifying he was incapable of defending himself and was clearly
not the aggressor
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Further proof that Zimmerman caused no injury to Trayton.
Further justifying he was incapable of defending himself and was clearly
not the aggressor
doesnt prove anything

edit: before you reply with some kind of legal analysis, im being devils advocate on purpose to show that no matter what anyone says, no one knows what theyre talking about. kthx
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Zimmerman couldn't leave a mark on a 17 year old kid that he outweighed by 75 pounds?

He must be a giant pvssy.
Or he got sucker punched, that's how most of them fight anyway.
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These *ssholes always get away.
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These *ssholes always get away.
With police response times in the high 15-30 mins... most robbers, vandals and criminals do.

In Zimmermans neighborhood, there were half a dozen recent robberies, attacks and even a shooting. Zimmerman actually assisted in stopping or apprehending one.
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With police response times in the high 15-30 mins... most robbers, vandals and criminals do.

In Zimmermans neighborhood, there were half a dozen recent robberies, attacks and even a shooting. Zimmerman actually assisted in stopping or apprehending one.
Two.

That black kid was up to something!
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SMH, Someone's gonna get killed, shot,stabbed or beat the h** up over this case it's nationwide now and the media like usual is not making things any better. The media is what made this case into a racial thing it's not even about that it's about right and wrong, everybody has there own version of what happened but in reality no one really knows what happended. It's kinda useless to try and piece together a case when noone has 100% accurate information I'm actually tired of hearing about it just wait until the court date April 10th and see what happens.
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Not sure if anyone heard about the phone records from Trayvons side, but after the 911 call from Zimmerman, he called his girlfriend and explained that he was being followed, and that he was not sure what to do. She instructed he run. She also stated that she "may" have heard Zimmerman confronting T and a shove or push from Zimm...

Funny, how most people have their minds made up about this already, and yet all the information is still not out there. Regarding the race issue, and the "out to get him" theory, many medical professionals are saying Zimmerman is a paranoid vigilante type, and they believe that he was out to get him.

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He must be a giant pvssy.
you are the worst. arguer. ever. holy crap, it's literally painful to see your feeble thought processes at work.
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The only thing Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Services, LLC is an expert at is marketing and publicity generation. Tom is good friends with Curtis Crowe, who is the current President of TracerTek. Curtis is listed as a lead trainer and presenter for courses the Tom runs.

Same company that just put out Easy Voice Biometrics. They are all one in the same, same address: P.O. Box 189, Windsor PA 17366. Same website design template.

Sweet deal... Get his name out there as well as the name of his buddies software. More training, software and business sales.

1. Eye Witness account that Zimmerman was on the bottom getting beat and screaming for help
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Trumps any "expert" voice analysis lol


Yes... zero evidence, zero witness account and zero proof that Zimmerman initiated an attack will stand up. Stand up like an 89 year olds erection
To play DA, Eye witness account says treyvon was on the bottom and Treyvons mom said that was her son screaming for help
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