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Old 06-13-2013, 03:01 PM   #2881
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So let me get this straight

Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid in his neighborhood. Said something to him, backed off, Martin then approached him and broke him nose and was beating him up and Zimmerman shot him?

Or Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid went after him, got his face beat up and then shot him?
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:06 PM   #2882
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So let me get this straight

Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid in his neighborhood. Said something to him, backed off, Martin then approached him and broke him nose and was beating him up and Zimmerman shot him?

Or Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid went after him, got his face beat up and then shot him?
No and no. Read the thread. Everything has been explained ad naseum. Zimmerman didn't say anything to him.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:07 PM   #2883
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So let me get this straight

Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid in his neighborhood. Said something to him, backed off, Martin then approached him and broke him nose and was beating him up and Zimmerman shot him?

Or Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid went after him, got his face beat up and then shot him?
I would suggest not using this thread as a means of research. The only conclusion to be had from reading all of the circle jerk arguments, insults and petty bickering is going to be potato.
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Let the NRA pay the legal fees. They're the ones behind stand your ground
This case has nothing to do with the Stand your ground law. The defense claim is self defense. The facts of the case are going to be tried and we'll know soon enough how that works out. The whole "Stand you ground" flap was ginned up by the media to serve their own agenda.
You may note that Zimmerman waived his Stand your ground hearing but I suspect that you are not aware of that.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #2885
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This case has nothing to do with the Stand your ground law. The defense claim is self defense. The facts of the case are going to be tried and we'll know soon enough how that works out. The whole "Stand you ground" flap was ginned up by the media to serve their own agenda.
You may note that Zimmerman waived his Stand your ground hearing but I suspect that you are not aware of that.
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You need to be able to retreat (but choose not to) to envoke SYG. Being on the ground with a broken nose and getting your head repeatedly smashed into the pavement is not a retreatable position.

The media has been angling this case since day 1 and the baby, Hollister and snowboarding pictures came out.
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True. If this was a civil trial (not sure how the law applies in FL, if they can sue him later on like OJ) there is a good chance Zimmerman would lose, but life in prison? No chance. The special prosecutor over-reached. If she charged him with something "light" like negligent homicide, and 5 years was at stake, MAYBE he would get convicted. Like I said a long time ago in this thread, it was a political move on her part.
She said at her news conference that is was not political. Isn't that good enough? The Sanford police tried to get a capias warrant issued for Zimmerman on manslaughter charges on March 13, 2012 but the State Attorney denied it.
It should be noted that this was during the time when the agitators claimed Sanford PD was doing nothing, leading to the outrage that led to the overcharging in this case.

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You need to be able to retreat (but choose not to) to envoke SYG. Being on the ground with a broken nose and getting your head repeatedly smashed into the pavement is not a retreatable position.

The media has been angling this case since day 1 and the baby, Hollister and snowboarding pictures came out.
I don't care about the baby face or the grilled up gangsta pics. I want to know the facts of that evening, which from reading the entire document dump, seem to support Zimmerman's statements but that remains to be tested in a trial.
Ironic that those crying out for "justice", seem quick to deny Zimmerman his presumption of innocence. It's not for him to prove his innocence, it's the State's job to prove him guilty.
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I don't care about the baby face or the grilled up gangsta pics. I want to know the facts of that evening, which from reading the entire document dump, seem to support Zimmerman's statements but that remains to be tested in a trial.
Ironic that those crying out for "justice", seem quick to deny Zimmerman his presumption of innocence. It's not for him to prove his innocence, it's the State's job to prove him guilty.
Wow, so I guess someone else is capable of being rational. Bravo.
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Forgive me, I had a late night and didn't sleep much, what I am looking at here? I seem to be missing something.
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BTW, jury selection is still going on live if anyone cares to watch.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:25 PM   #2893
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Forgive me, I had a late night and didn't sleep much, what I am looking at here? I seem to be missing something.
I got plenty of sleep and have been moderately caffeinated all day and still have zero clue what I'm looking at outside of the obvious, lol.
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Answer my questions and I'll answer you. I really shouldn't have to repeat myself at this point. But guess I'll have to til you answer
Quit dodging and ask a question. It would take you 2 seconds to quote it or type it. At this point, you're just dodging because you know you'll contradict your bullshit statements.

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So let me get this straight

Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid in his neighborhood. Said something to him, backed off, Martin then approached him and broke him nose and was beating him up and Zimmerman shot him?

Or Zimmerman saw a suspect looking kid went after him, got his face beat up and then shot him?
If GZ's story is true, he saw a suspect looking kid in his neighborhood and called the non-emergency PD # to report it.

The operator asked for an address, GZ didn't know the name of the street he was on. He drove to another street, but no longer knew where TM was. Go out of his car to look for him, operator told him to go back to his car.

When GZ was on his way back to his car, TM "came out of nowhere" and confronted GZ. TM attacked GZ, punching him, knocking him down, getting on top of him and pounding his head into the pavement.

In the course of the struggle, TM realized GZ had a gun, told GZ he was going to kill him, GZ got to the gun first and shot TM.
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The kid broke his nose and was pounding his head into the concrete*
*According to the murderer.

The other half of the story died with Trayvon.
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*According to the murderer.

The other half of the story died with Trayvon.
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Quit dodging and ask a question. It would take you 2 seconds to quote it or type it. At this point, you're just dodging because you know you'll contradict your bullshit statements.
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I mean if you had just had answered when initially asked you wouldn't be in this predicament.

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DNA results and Autopsy results would have to "prove" that Trayvon Martin actually "caused" Zimmerman's injuries in order for for anyone, including a jury, to conclude Zimmerman acted in self defense when he killed an unarmed Trayvon Martin. However, the DNA results and the Autopsy results do not support Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin "caused" injuries to his face or head. Meaning, DNA results and the Autopsy suggest Trayvon Martin is not the "cause" of Zimmerman's injuries. So Zimmerman's alleged self defense claim might not fly with the jury since none of the forensic results suggest Trayvon Martin touched Zimmerman in any way, shape or form.

The Jury will see the DNA report shows that none of Zimmerman's DNA was under Martin's fingernails.
George Zimmerman was damn near bald on the night he followed, search for, then found and killed Trayvon Martin. In order for Trayvon Martin to grab Zimmerman's bald head tight enough to slam his head into the sidewalk over a dozen times, some of Zimmerman's DNA would have gotten underneath Trayvon Martin's fingernails.

The DNA results show none of Zimmerman's DNA under Martin's fingernails.

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