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Old 03-29-2012, 02:20 PM   #81
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Dude, I'm in no way saying let's convict him because he might have racially profiled Martin or because the police didn't do their job initially. I'm saying let's have an investigation to see what really happened because, based on the information surrounding the case, it appears to me that Zimmerman was the one whose actions led to an unnecessary death. That does not make him guilty. Innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe he died because Zimmerman was an idiot. The situation still needs investigation.


Maybe. Maybe not.
Well, then, Truce! I just got the impression from some of your previous posts that you were already convinced Zimmerman was a racist AND guilty of a crime. I agree that the stupidity AND culpability aspects of Zimmerman's actions should be investigated. It is my impression that those aspects HAVE been investigated and the conclusion was that either he wasn't guilty, or they didn't have enough to charge and convict. Of course, the discovery of new, legitimate evidence would certainly be grounds for re-visiting those conclusions. Others have the impression - correct that, they are absolutely certain - that the police are complicit racists who are part of the conspiratorial cover up. And the absence of evidence to the contrary will not sway them at all.
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The sender's initial tweets made his or her aims clear: "No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN," they read.

The account's image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman's picture.

"This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street," the Twitter account's description reads, "The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace."

In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account "is advocating murder," the account holder replied: "we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; **** the system. #AintNoJustice"

"I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain't Enough," read another message the same day.


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This image accompanies a "Kill Zimmerman" Twitter account, started on March 24, 2012.
On March 24 a "KillZimmerman" Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26.

Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin.

The sender's initial tweets made his or her aims clear: "No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN," they read.

The account's image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman's picture.

"This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street," the Twitter account's description reads, "The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace."

In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account "is advocating murder," the account holder replied: "we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; **** the system. #AintNoJustice"

"I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain't Enough," read another message the same day.

Ads by Google"Don't get me wrong I would be happy if he go to jail," another tweet read, "but I rather see a ***** shoot him in his ****in face."

On March 27, the account tweeted: "Leave All The Violence **** To Us Coz If They Don't Put Em In Jail We Gone Get His Ass."

The New Black Panther Party has issued a "dead or alive" bounty for Zimmerman's capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically - to $1 million.

On Facebook, groups named "I want George Zimmerman dead," "Kill George Zimmerman ***** azz," "Kill Zimmerman" and "Kill George Zimmerman" have appeared, some with approximately 100 members.
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:47 PM   #83
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The New Black Panther Party has issued a "dead or alive" bounty for Zimmerman's capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically - to $1 million.

On Facebook, groups named "I want George Zimmerman dead," "Kill George Zimmerman ***** azz," "Kill Zimmerman" and "Kill George Zimmerman" have appeared, some with approximately 100 members.
People inciting violence and vigilantism need to be prosecuted.
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People inciting violence and vigilantism need to be prosecuted.
How has Holder not arrested the NBPP over this? Heck, even with an apology Spike Lee should have been arrested, he could have had that couple (the wrong family, mind you) hurt or killed.

It is just amazing, and this is honestly 100% the fault of the media. This was a local story that was blown into a national one to suit a very specific agenda.
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Luckily he has a CCW. Would throw a party if he takes out a few more.
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How has Holder not arrested the NBPP over this? Heck, even with an apology Spike Lee should have been arrested, he could have had that couple (the wrong family, mind you) hurt or killed.

It is just amazing, and this is honestly 100% the fault of the media. This was a local story that was blown into a national one to suit a very specific agenda.
The old couple retained a very high powered attorney in FL, and is going after Spike Lee. He's going to pay for their new house....god damn coon.
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At this point, short of getting the death penalty, the family and supporters will not be happy. At best Zimmerman could get a few years for manslaughter and that's it. Since no one will be happy with that then just let the guy walk.
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Anyone know Zimmermans address? I want to send him some ammo
He's gonna need it
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he's gonna need it
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LOL! Good one.

I'd say 12 light punches or 6 really hard ones. Happy now?

It's a ridiculous question to ask, since all you know full well that an answer can't be given.
We can have a ridiculousness contest if you want.

Ridiculous is stating unequivocally that 1 punch and 1 head smash into the pavement isn't enough to justify Z fearing for his life.

Still ridiculous, but slightly less so, is asking for an equally unequivocal statement of exactly how many punches or head smashes do justify it. If you're so damn certain that 1 isn't enough, you should be able to state exactly how many is enough.

Alas, I concede your victory in the ridiculousness contest. You are the undisputed Intercontinental Heavyweight Ridiculous Champion Of The Universe. CONGRATS!

You're correct, there is no way to answer the question, because (just like when you made your assertion that 1 isn't enough) the only suitable answer is "it depends".

It depends on the force, violence, speed, verbal exchange, environment, health, fitness, skill, of the combatants and the encounter.

And, just as you don't have enough information about all those things to make an unequivocal statement about how many punches/head smashes are enough, you also don't have enough information to unequivocally state that 1 isn't enough.

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Except Zimmeran called Martin a Fvckin COON while chasing him. There mentors and coaches who are racist you know.
dumbass.

Even CNN, after having one of their engineers enhance the tape, couldn't get their staffers to come to a consensus as to whether he said that or not. It's a safe bet that you decide in advance Z is racist, you'll hear it. If you decide in advance he's not, you won't.

But trying to introduce it as "proof" of Z's racist motivations without being able to state whether it's true or not is dumb.

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Odds are his prejudices played a role in his actions. Odds are Martin's skin color played a role in how the police department evaluated the situation. Do you think that these things have nothing to do with the case. For me, however, it's one small part of the big picture. An unarmed minor is dead and no one is even under investigation.
You think they took him to the police station for coffee and doughnuts? Or maybe a high-five circle jerk?

Who do you think DOJ and the FBI are investigating? Florida electoral ballot improvements? Other possible suspects in the shooting?

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It is just amazing, and this is honestly 100% the fault of the media. This was a local story that was blown into a national one to suit a very specific agenda.
The media provides what media consumers (us, btw) have consistently proven we'll buy.

It's 100% the fault of the drama-crazed public turning on the news, clicking on the links, buying the newspaper with the Zimmerman headline, etc.
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Ridiculous is stating unequivocally that 1 punch and 1 head smash into the pavement isn't enough to justify Z fearing for his life.

Still ridiculous, but slightly less so, is asking for an equally unequivocal statement of exactly how many punches or head smashes do justify it. If you're so damn certain that 1 isn't enough, you should be able to state exactly how many is enough.

Alas, I concede your victory in the ridiculousness contest. You are the undisputed Intercontinental Heavyweight Ridiculous Champion Of The Universe. CONGRATS!
Jeez. Get up. Walk around. Have a cup of coffee or something.

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You're correct, there is no way to answer the question, because (just like when you made your assertion that 1 isn't enough) the only suitable answer is "it depends".

It depends on the force, violence, speed, verbal exchange, environment, health, fitness, skill, of the combatants and the encounter.

And, just as you don't have enough information about all those things to make an unequivocal statement about how many punches/head smashes are enough, you also don't have enough information to unequivocally state that 1 isn't enough.
If the force, violence, speed of one punch are such that they put you in fear of your life to the point where you're willing to take someone else's life, that force, violence and speed will be so excessive and traumatizing that I'd think it'd be near impossible to defend yourself.

Verbal exchange, environment, health, fitness, skill are relevant after one such punch to warrant killing someone?

My point is this: If we all used the criteria that Zimmerman used here, we'd have 100s of dead in every major town every weekend.

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They should have taken him directly home in order for you to believe they did something wrong?

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They didn't until a big hoopla was made.
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Right back at ya. This man is innocent until proven otherwise just like every other American citizen. I hope the scumbags making death threats and acting on them bleed out slow. I don't care if Zim is innocent or guilty, respect the process and respect people's rights.

Hope he kills anyone that comes at him with violence
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My point is this: If we all used the criteria that Zimmerman used here, we'd have 100s of dead in every major town every weekend. .
100s of heads get smashed on concrete every weekend?

I go out drinking 1 or two nights a week in a major town for the past 6 years. I have seen a few fights, but not one single head smash on concrete. My life experience refutes your unfounded fact.
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I go out drinking 1 or two nights a week in a major town for the past 6 years. I have seen a few fights, but not one single head smash on concrete. My life experience refutes your unfounded fact.
Why wait until your head is getting smashed on the concrete? We're not even sure that happened.

In 2010, statistics show the following numbers of arrests for:
Aggravated assault: 408,488
Other assault: 1,292,449
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...es/10tbl29.xls

How many of those people were afraid for their lives? Were they all OK to shoot their assailant?

Keep in mind: The reported US violent crime rate includes only Aggravated Assault, whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including the much-more-numerous Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm).<sup id="cite_ref-Crime_in_Canada.2C_Canada_Statistics_30-2" class="reference">[31]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-BKA.2C_German_federal_crime_statistics_2004_.28German.29_31-1" class="reference">[32]</sup>
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The media provides what media consumers (us, btw) have consistently proven we'll buy.

It's 100% the fault of the drama-crazed public turning on the news, clicking on the links, buying the newspaper with the Zimmerman headline, etc.
Yeah but equal blame has to go to the smut peddlers, there wouldn't have been a slave trade if blacks weren't in Africa selling slaves to the europeans...if you know what I mean.
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Why wait until your head is getting smashed on the concrete? We're not even sure that happened.

In 2010, statistics show the following numbers of arrests for:
Aggravated assault: 408,488
Other assault: 1,292,449
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...es/10tbl29.xls

How many of those people were afraid for their lives? Were they all OK to shoot their assailant?

Keep in mind: The reported US violent crime rate includes only Aggravated Assault, whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including the much-more-numerous Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm).<sup id="cite_ref-Crime_in_Canada.2C_Canada_Statistics_30-2" class="reference">[31]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-BKA.2C_German_federal_crime_statistics_2004_.28German.29_31-1" class="reference">[32]</sup>
Not my head, the fighter's heads.

How many fights would not have happened if the provocation could have ended with a bullet???
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Not my head, the fighter's heads.

How many fights would not have happened if the provocation could have ended with a bullet???
How many fights would have started with a bullet?
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All of them would end with a bullet.
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