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Old 04-23-2012, 02:06 PM   #1021
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Al Sharpton Cites Trial of Jesus in Discussing Trayvon Martin Case

(CNSNews.com) - "Inequities" in the criminal justice system go back to the time of Jesus, the Rev. Al Sharpton said in discussing the Trayvon Martin case.

"We believe in Jesus, they crucified him and never had a charge," the Rev. Sharpton told a gathering of his National Action Network in Washington, D.C., on Thursday. "They never charged, there wasn't no crime on his indictment. So we've got to deal with the inequities of the criminal justice system. The fact that we (black people) are overly-incarcerated, the fact that we go to court and are treated differently, and the fact that when we're victimized there is not the same response. That's what Trayvon was about."

Sharpton and his National Action Network have led a number of protest rallies in recent weeks, demanding the arrest of neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, who told police he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense.

Sharpton, who hosts both a radio and TV show on MSNBC, said Martin's attorney Benjamin Crump called him last month, requesting publicity about Trayvon's death:

"The reason they called us was to try and make it a big case," Sharpton said. "I put Crump on the radio show that day and on the television show that night, and we began building.

"Then everybody say, 'Well they ain't gonna get nothing done no how.' And it kept going and rallying and people got involved -- culminating, as you know, yesterday (when Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder).

"Now they are going to attack those of us involved, 'cause that's what they always do. Part of the job of activists is, you want them to attack you and not the victim and the family. You want to absolve it to you. So I'm ready for all of that."

As for criticism that his tactics are racially polarizing, Sharpton said, "If nobody is upset with you, you are not doing much of anything."

Sharpton said he doesn't know what happened on Feb. 26, the night Zimmerman shot Martin. All he knows is that Trayvon was "an unarmed young man that committed no crime," while Zimmerman was "an armed man that was not even a law enforcement officer or a registered watchman."

"He should have been arrested and have to stand trial. That's all we say," Sharpton added.

Sharpton said he will continue to fight Florida's Stand Your Ground law, the self-defense statute that could be used in Zimmerman's defense.

"The reason this (Zimmerman) case is serious is the ramifications of this will determine Stand Your Ground in 21 states," Sharpton explained. He said most of the cases the National Action Network takes have "broad" civil rights implications.

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Old 04-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #1022
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I don't think Al Sharpton really cares. Rather he'll say anything to get his name in the headlines.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:37 PM   #1023
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This has been said before, but you don't seem to get it. A 911 dispatcher has NO AUTHORITY. They aren't the police, they are phone operators. They are not deputized. They cannot tell people what to do and what not to do.

That being said, "you don't have to do that" wouldn't even qualify as a command even if the 911 dispatcher had authority. I'm pretty sure you say it every time your aunt takes your empty dish from the dinner table.
you didn't seem to pick up on the sarcasm there
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #1024
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you didn't seem to pick up on the sarcasm there
Oh, apparently not. Guess I should have better. Either way, the post is still valid for some other posters around here....hmmm I wonder who
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:41 PM   #1025
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I don't think Al Sharpton really cares. Rather he'll say anything to get his name in the headlines.
It's all about the $$$
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:02 PM   #1026
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I don't think Al Sharpton really cares. Rather he'll say anything to get his name in the headlines.
The fact that he has his own show on MSNBC amazes me. He's INFINITELY worse than Beck EVER was.
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The fact that he has his own show on MSNBC amazes me. He's INFINITELY worse than Beck EVER was.
That's a majjjjjor stretch. I would imagine Beck's viewership was higher than Sharptons and Beck has said some seriously insane things.
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Why is Al Sharpton still relevant?
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:31 PM   #1029
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Why is Al Sharpton still relevant?
He makes both sides angry at each other.
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He makes both sides angry at each other.
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This and it's sure not to be the last situation we hear of him speak up on.
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The way this case is going so far I'm suprised that some of you are complaining. You and I know that Zimmerman will walk. This might not even go to trial......and it will be business as usual. Status Quo. So just relax and wait and see how this plays out. (Although We Know How It Will Play Out).
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Maybe you've been rolling on the floor too much and missed the implication of that incident: if people weren't allowed to carry guns, the maximum that would come out of that road rage is a fist fight. The guy would still be alive.
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Maybe you've been rolling on the floor too much and missed the implication of that incident: if people weren't allowed to carry guns, the maximum that would come out of that road rage is a fist fight. The guy would still be alive.
if all guns were illegal, then only criminals would have them
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if all guns were illegal, then only criminals would have them
Not true.
Criminals (because they are criminals) and police and other qualified people would have them.
Qualification is the key... involves continued training, both mental and physical.

If what you said were true, how do other countries that don't allow regular citizens to carry guns handle it?
For example, Japan has one of the lowest crime rate in the world. How's that possible?
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Not true.
Criminals (because they are criminals) and police and other qualified people would have them.
Qualification is the key... involves continued training, both mental and physical.

If what you said were true, how do other countries that don't allow regular citizens to carry guns handle it?
For example, Japan has one of the lowest crime rate in the world. How's that possible?
what consists of a "qualified person"?

so I have to rely on police and "qualified people" to defend me should someone wish to do me or my family bodily harm?
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is a "qualified person" someone that just get continuing education in firearms? How does that make sense? I only have to take one test in my life in order to drive, and I'm much more likely to kill someone while driving than I am with a firearm.

Or does my "qualification" come from just going to the range as frequently as I do? What if I don't go to the range one month? Are my weapons taken away from me?
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Cars kill more whites and blacks than guns do.

We should BAN all cars.
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Zimmerman will remove his GPS Police Ankle bracelet, put it on his dog, and go shopping.
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what consists of a "qualified person"?

so I have to rely on police and "qualified people" to defend me should someone wish to do me or my family bodily harm?
So we need to risk every one's safety just because you're paranoid?
How do the people in other countries do it?
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Cars kill more whites and blacks than guns do.

We should BAN all cars.
cars don't kill people.
People kill people.
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