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Old 05-16-2012, 10:25 AM   #1321
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they do have training and are in contact with law enforcement officials. his life was not in danger until he took things into his own hands, now he will have to deal with the consequences. it's like poking a sleeping bear with a stick and then shooting it because it came after you.

he should get 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter as far as i'm concerned. he acted with complete recklessness and he himself escalated a situation.

throw him away fro 20 years.
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they do have training and are in contact with law enforcement officials. his life was not in danger until he took things into his own hands, now he will have to deal with the consequences. it's like poking a sleeping bear with a stick and then shooting it because it came after you.

he should get 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter as far as i'm concerned. he acted with complete recklessness and he himself escalated a situation.

throw him away fro 20 years.
hahahahahaha

oh... you're serious
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bullshit, you can't shoot someone just because they kick your ass and embarrass you. zimmerman had no right to approach travon and was told not to by authorities.
Yes you can...........

Under section 9.31 of the Texas Penal Code, an individual is allowed to use any force he believes to be reasonable against another individual if he believes that force will protect himself against the other individual's force. The other individual's force must be unlawful; therefore deadly force cannot be a response to a verbal dispute or challenge, nor can it be used to resist arrest or search by a law enforcement officer. Self-defense is not allowed in several other scenarios: if the individual agreed to the other individual's use of force, if the individual provoked the other individual into unlawful force, or if the other individual stops his use of force or tries to indicate that he wants to abandon the use of force during the encounter.

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"A person is justified in using deadly force against another if he would be justified in using force under Section 9.31 of the statute when and to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated. The use of deadly force is also justified to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, rape or robbery."

Defense of Another Person

"A person is justified in using deadly force against an attacker to protect another person if he would be justified to use it to protect himself against an unlawful attack and he reasonably believes his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the other person from serious injury or death."

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With these injuries and the fact that they were increasing by the second....his health was in jeopardy.
And martin probably got the skinned knuckles from hitting Zimmerman.

Heck, if the injuries below happened in the NFL, they would be wanting to sue for disability....

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Skinned Knuckles
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The injuries to Zimmerman include:

Broken Nose
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:40 AM   #1326
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I think people are driven by racial stereotypes and are filling in too many blanks with their own thoughts. Why does everyone one think Zimmerman went over to Treyvon to "pick a fight?"
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Why does everyone one think Zimmerman went over to Treyvon to "pick a fight?"
Because that narrative would reinforce their pre-existing social and political ideologies, which is a highly personal form of identity and self-expression these days. Worse, such vanity serves exonerate someone who assaulted another, and assigns guilt to the victim. The logic being leveraged against Zimmerman is often seen by those who look at rape and sexual assault victims and insist "she asked for it" or "she had it coming" or "she brought it upon herself."

An articulate explanation of the likely arguments being prepared by the prosecution, and why they would fail, can be read here: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/5/16/12944/9520
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I think people are driven by racial stereotypes and are filling in too many blanks with their own thoughts. Why does everyone one think Zimmerman went over to Treyvon to "pick a fight?"
Isn't it obvious? Martin was black and Zimmerman was whit......er hispanic
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they do have training and are in contact with law enforcement officials. his life was not in danger until he took things into his own hands, now he will have to deal with the consequences. it's like poking a sleeping bear with a stick and then shooting it because it came after you.

he should get 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter as far as i'm concerned. he acted with complete recklessness and he himself escalated a situation.

throw him away fro 20 years.
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lol

So you're not very familiar with the law eh?
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:25 PM   #1330
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bullshit, you can't shoot someone just because they kick your ass and embarrass you. zimmerman had no right to approach travon and was told not to by authorities.
Um, yea you can. In Florida at least (and that is where it happened.)


Florida law on using deadly force...
"...Serious bodily injury of another or yourself...or to stop a forcible felony..."

the law is pretty clear here...

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.-A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; ...


So yea, some creep is dragging a kid towards a free candy van, you can shoot him. etc
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:27 PM   #1331
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lol

So you're not very familiar with the law eh?
He lives in IL.... much easier to just learn what is legal instead of what is illegal.

Save a lot of time. (cause everything is illegal)
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Sucks that Trayvon couldn't use a gun to defend himself against the guy who shot him.
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bullshit, you can't shoot someone just because they kick your ass and embarrass you.
Actually, it appears one can, and has been done. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but you should keep that in mind should you or your child ever consider assaulting someone else.

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Zimmerman had no right to approach travon and was told not to by authorities.
a) You cannot prove Zimmerman approached (TM).
b) (TM) "had no right" to assault Z, even if Z did approach him.
c) A dispatcher is not authority.
d) The dispatcher never stated direction, prohibition, or order (lawful or not). If you believe otherwise, I encourage you to listen to the primary source.

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he should get 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter as far as i'm concerned.
Which is why it's good you're speaking from outside the legal system, where your opinions can do no harm.
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Sucks that Trayvon couldn't use a gun to defend himself against the guy who shot him.
It does, but that's what happens when you bring Skittles to a gunfight. "Children" belong at home doing homework, not on suspension assaulting adults in the dark.
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It does, but that's what happens when you bring Skittles to a gunfight. "Children" belong at home doing homework, not keeping it real.
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they do have training and are in contact with law enforcement officials. his life was not in danger until he took things into his own hands, now he will have to deal with the consequences. it's like poking a sleeping bear with a stick and then shooting it because it came after you.

he should get 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter as far as i'm concerned. he acted with complete recklessness and he himself escalated a situation.

throw him away fro 20 years.
So if you saw someone walking around your neighbors house that you didn't think belonged there, you would just go inside?

because -

If you watched them a few minutes, then they saw you, approached you and you asked them what they were doing and they began beating the sh!t out of you, because it was none of your business, you shouldn't defend yourself?

A true LIBERAL.

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This thread keeps bringing the lolz Mainly the same few. Good read gentlemen.
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