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Old 06-06-2012, 02:03 AM   #1681
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Well, common sense tells me he didn't teleport through a time vortex and mysteriously end up in trayvons personal space. Again, I'm interested to hear an intelligent interpretation of how he ended up in an altercation without pursuing or stalking. Or, even better, what "evidence" is there that Zimmerman didn't continue his approach after the call was over? Nah. Never mind. I'm not going to play that mindless game of 'evidence article number 3' with you guys. You all deserve better than that. I'm interested in common sense insights, but that doesn't seem to be the game here.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:07 AM   #1682
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Can't believe you guys are really still talking about this o.O
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:17 AM   #1683
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Lol. This issue is so polarizing, I just had to participate. Plus, the drama of Florida's criminal cases are fascinating. You can never tell what is going to happen.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:27 AM   #1684
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Lol. This issue is so polarizing, I just had to participate. Plus, the drama of Florida's criminal cases are fascinating. You can never tell what is going to happen.
I get it kinda, I guess I just don't understand why people care this much.. only the kid and zim where there but everyone has there own version of what happened... SMH enjoy
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:44 AM   #1685
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That is true. Some people, myself included, find it curious when a kid gets killed, and the killer doesn't get arrested until 45 days after the incident. A situation like this leads to a lot of questions about interpretation of law, current social bias', media spin, etc. Kinda fun when your in the right mood.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:54 AM   #1686
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I'm not surprised at all he didn't get arrested ,he had the law on his side (thanks to Florida) but I'm not saying anything else lol I'm unscribing

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Old 06-06-2012, 02:10 PM   #1687
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Why are you pontificating about how rednecks would hypothetically settle disagreements? Because its more politically correct than mentioning another demographic from a lower economic class? Last I read, we don't have an endemic of rednecks killing one another in the streets stemming from a culture internal to that demographic, which glorifies violence and criminality.

The White House summit on youth violence? Yeah, it's all about redneck kids beating the crap of each other, flashing wannabe gang signs, and filling our urban ER's with gunshot wounds to each other.

Call stuff for what it is, and only then will you make progress in identifying the problem and its solutions.
Another mental myopic that gets caught up in words, split hairs, and misses the point of the post.
The last thing those who know me would call me is politically correct.
I pick on rednecks because I don't like them, their culture and anything related to them.
Rednecks are famous for doing stupid things. Comedians have made a career making jokes about rednecks (Foxworthy). Go watch Idiocracy and report back.

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Old 06-06-2012, 02:21 PM   #1688
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I'm actually outraged that a defendant's personal financial information would even be probed in a bail hearing. This isn't Vacation "how much you got?", this is a court of law. Bail is set ONLY to secure a defendant's appearance at trial or to prevent them from committing further crimes. The amount of money someone has is legally irrelevant, or should be.
Doesn't it have to be, though? I mean, the bail has to be set low enough to be attainable for the individual to get bonded out (otherwise there's not much point) but high enough to make it worth his while to show back up so he doesn't forfeit the $, all while keeping the seriousness of the crime in mind. So don't personal finances have to be considered?

Someone with a zillion $ in the bank (or in a Swiss bank) might not think twice about bouncing on a bail amount that would be unattainable for someone of more modest means.
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I wondered about that as well.
I learned that much just by watching Law and Order.
And AOG claims to have been a NY ADA? McCoy would not be happy.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:28 PM   #1689
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I wondered about that as well.
I learned that much just by watching Law and Order.
And AOG claims to have been a NY ADA? McCoy would not be happy.
We didn't have such questioning in my County. Regardless, I still disagree with it in the places where it is practiced.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #1690
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His call to police dispatch is a good start. He was told not to apprehend but he did anyway. I am open to hearing "evidence" to the contrary.

You have to admit that Zimmerman profiled and had his mind made up that trayvon was a thug based on his call to police. Thats my interpretation at least. Just look up zimmermans past calls to police and tell me what you think then. Again, i am open to coherent explanations or alternate interpretations as to what happened. But please, enough of respinning what you heard on your favorite opinion based news station. It's been 84 pages of rehashed spin and pissing matches. Myself included, even though I'm a late entry, but I'm trying to do my best here.
Apprehend....right. Listen to the call, and then come back and post.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:25 PM   #1691
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Well, common sense tells me he didn't teleport through a time vortex and mysteriously end up in trayvons personal space. Again, I'm interested to hear an intelligent interpretation of how he ended up in an altercation without pursuing or stalking. Or, even better, what "evidence" is there that Zimmerman didn't continue his approach after the call was over? Nah. Never mind. I'm not going to play that mindless game of 'evidence article number 3' with you guys. You all deserve better than that. I'm interested in common sense insights, but that doesn't seem to be the game here.
Umm....legal analysis fail. What evidence is there that he CONTINUED to follow and instigate?
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:15 PM   #1692
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Lol. That was the whole point of my 'evidence' line. I'm not a dilettante lawyer trying to make a case for the prosecution or defense. I'm trying to get you guys to explain how Zimmerman ended up in close enough proximity to Tayvon for there to be a scuffle, shooting, etc. if Zimmerman didn't approach him. I'm not particularly interested in legal jargon and rhetoric as much as I am interested in seeing if anyone can use deductive reasoning and provide a train of thought based on solid premises for their conclusions. If you dont think that zimmerman approached the kid, thats fine with me. What else could have possibly happened? I'm interested in hearing what others have to say. That's all. Pretty simple really.
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Lol. That was the whole point of my 'evidence' line. I'm not a dilettante lawyer trying to make a case for the prosecution or defense. I'm trying to get you guys to explain how Zimmerman ended up in close enough proximity to Tayvon for there to be a scuffle, shooting, etc. if Zimmerman didn't approach him. I'm not particularly interested in legal jargon and rhetoric as much as I am interested in seeing if anyone can use deductive reasoning and provide a train of thought based on solid premises for their conclusions. If you dont think that zimmerman approached the kid, thats fine with me. What else could have possibly happened? I'm interested in hearing what others have to say. That's all. Pretty simple really.
Even if he did it doesn't matter. What matters is who initiated the conflict, the actual physical conflict. You can walk up to anyone on the street and ask them a question in any way you want. That does not give them the right to strike you no matter how insulted they may feel.

Zimmerman said he was going back to the car after he LOST SIGHT OF Trayvon Martin and then Martin followed him and then ish went down. I believe he even says on the 911 tape that he lost him.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:32 PM   #1694
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Lol. That was the whole point of my 'evidence' line. I'm not a dilettante lawyer trying to make a case for the prosecution or defense. I'm trying to get you guys to explain how Zimmerman ended up in close enough proximity to Tayvon for there to be a scuffle, shooting, etc. if Zimmerman didn't approach him. I'm not particularly interested in legal jargon and rhetoric as much as I am interested in seeing if anyone can use deductive reasoning and provide a train of thought based on solid premises for their conclusions. If you dont think that zimmerman approached the kid, thats fine with me. What else could have possibly happened? I'm interested in hearing what others have to say. That's all. Pretty simple really.
Treyvon snuck around and jumped him. The evidence (911 tape) shows that a solid 2 minutes after he was told to stop following him, Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was. That is plenty to put a hole in the "following" angle, not to mention, following is not against the law. Maybe Martin saw Zimmerman on the phone, staring at him, and got pissed, who knows. What we do know, is that there is NO evidence of Zimmerman following martin, and injuries and witnesses that support Zimmerman's story.
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Umm....legal analysis fail. What evidence is there that he CONTINUED to follow and instigate?
The DEAD BODY.
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I think I've found your problem.
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Congrats you just went full retard.
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Congrats you just went full retard.
So I've reached your level?
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You can keep your underlying reasoning out of the discussion in order to make it sound better if you wish.

But the fact remains it's hypocritical to judge a subject for being judgmental, and to consider yourself better than a subject because they consider themselves better than someone else.
Woah slow down sport. Seems like I struck a nerve. So now you're judging me for calling out judmental people I happen to come across. This is hilarious. But if that's your thing have at it.
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