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Driveline, Engine & DME Tuning
Talk about driveline improvements, NA tuning and DME tuning your E46 BMW here. This includes diffs, intakes, exhausts, chips, software and OBD tuning.

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Old 02-22-2013, 04:01 PM   #201
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Is there anyway to ge reimbursed from BMW NA for these repairs if we've already paid for them? Or are we S.O.L. for being ingorant?
Don't know call bmw na or a dealer and find out.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:09 PM   #202
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I found out you probably can call bmw na and they will go through the process. That's what the dealer told me theywillall for some information about the part and the cause of replacement

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Old 02-22-2013, 04:13 PM   #203
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I'll hit the local dealer on the way home from work today and we'll see how it goes. I'll post updates.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:42 PM   #204
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Yea see if you can get an 05 tell them it's for your brothers car or something and find out for sure if those things are covered as a service rep told me no, but they told me no for everything lol
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:25 PM   #205
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I just found out about the warranty thanks to this thread. It turns out, I just replaced my mass air sensor, air intake boot, and post-cat O2 sensors. Do I have any recourse to recoup my costs since these items were covered under warranty? I've also got a leaky VANOS oil line that I'm trying to get covered. BTW, I got the attached SULEV parts list from the service dep't at the local dealership.
there are things listed in there that aren't even in the warranty handbook. I wonder what this was copied from. It doesn't look like a TIS document.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:27 PM   #206
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Does anyone know if East Bay BMW is an authorized dealer or if they're a corporate dealer? I've heard corporate (I.e. BMWNA owned dealerships) are easier to deal with when it comes to warranty.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:46 PM   #207
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no idea but i am on the phone with BWN NA trying to see if the thermostat is covered if it then thats good news. will keep you posted

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Old 02-22-2013, 06:59 PM   #208
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At least i got one step further, the rep told me call back earlier and just ask to speak to someone for emissions warranty they are more knowledgable with thi stuff, the regular reps just have the warranty documents we do also.
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:09 PM   #209
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god i feel like bashing my head against a wall talking to bnw na lol. What if the documentation says yes but the dealer says no. "then we would defer to the dealer" WTFFF really? lol
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:35 PM   #210
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If rear doesn't get anymore info I will stop by a dealer also with this document and ask them where is this from and if the things are covered. This document is a bit fishy because it covers everything listed in the warranty handbook, plus more. It seems the other parts are part of the and "related components" wording.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:26 AM   #211
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What was wrong with your cylinder head?
Nothing. The car wasn't starting and overnight there was no compression, so I was figuring worst case scenario. I didn't want to tow the car to the dealer until they agreed it was covered. Much easier to get things done before they have your car. If they had it, I could potentially see them claiming it's not covered and attempting to get me to pay it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:35 AM   #212
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Yea they love just trying to get you to bring your car in. I wish someone was a lawyer, I think they are legally obligated to answer our questions about warranties. Like the idiots at BMW NA can't answer if a specific part is covered under warranty, or provide a list of parts covered.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #213
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I'll hit the local dealer on the way home from work today and we'll see how it goes. I'll post updates.
I know in California the warranty states you have to present the car to the dealer for repairs, so it doesn't sound like you have a case. They then have 30 days to fix it. If you got it repaired at the dealer though and they charged you instead of BMW NA, that may be something.

I did contact the California Air Resources Board to clarify the list of parts, and the unhelpful rep said "An emissions related part is a part that affects emissions. You have to call the manufacturer to get the whole list." I asked her what if we disagreed on what was emissions related. She said I would have to take the car in, they would have to deny my claim with a letter, and then they would mediate. I personally think BMW NA and the dealers are afraid of CARB and don't want to give you a denial letter.

If you have a part that needs to be fixed, I would make an argument about the law.

California Code of Regulations, Title 13, Division 3, Chapter 1, Article 1, Section 1900 (b) (3) states:

"Emissions-related part" means any automotive part, which affects any regulated emissions from a motor vehicles which is subject to California or federal emissions standards. This includes, at a minimum, those parts specified in the “Emissions-Related Parts List,” adopted by the State Board on November 4, 1977, as last amended May 19, 1981.

I would just present that to them along with the list. Then I would let them tell me why it's not covered. If that happens, ask for a letter you can take to CARB, but I doubt you will get that far.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:57 AM   #214
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In the warranty documentation it mentions anything that effects emissions. That covers alot of parts, as for example my broken thermostat will make the car run richer and effect emissions. If the torque converter doesn't lock up it will effect emissions. Lets see what info he can get from the dealer who gave him that parts list.
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Yea they love just trying to get you to bring your car in. I wish someone was a lawyer, I think they are legally obligated to answer our questions about warranties. Like the idiots at BMW NA can't answer if a specific part is covered under warranty, or provide a list of parts covered.
Yes. The warranty covers diagnosis of the problems as well. If it's not covered, then you're stuck paying the dealer diagnostic fee, which is another reason why I made sure it was covered. The list Bear77 provided looks good, if the part's on there, I would just present that to BMW.

In California, I believe anything that sets off the Service Engine Soon light is covered, your car won't pass smog if that's on.

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Old 02-23-2013, 09:09 AM   #216
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Yes thats what it mentions in warranty handbook, if you fail inspection they will fix whatever is causing you to fail.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:14 AM   #217
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In the warranty documentation it mentions anything that effects emissions. That covers alot of parts, as for example my broken thermostat will make the car run richer and effect emissions. If the torque converter doesn't lock up it will effect emissions. Lets see what info he can get from the dealer who gave him that parts list.
Tell the dealer that.

I found this in my warranty booklet:

*This California Emissions Control System Limited Warranty applies to all 2003 U.S. specification BMW SULEV (PZEV) vehicles sold, leased, and/or registered in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont.

I would just say the warranty applies, and California defines "emissions related part" as anything that affects it. These parts affect it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:16 AM   #218
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I have everything is fixed right now, just planning ahead for future reference lol.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:22 AM   #219
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So I went to the dealer on Saturday to ask about whether the following issues with my car would be covered by the warranty: leaking VANOS oil line, fault code 296b (post-cat O2 sensors mixed up), and to see if I could be reimbursed for replacing my MAF sensor, MAF sensor boot, and O2 sensors within the past few weeks. I haven't gotten an outright "NO" yet, but the service manager wanted to defer to the warranty specialists who only work during the week. I have an appointment for Wednesday, so more to follow...stay tuned!
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #220
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So I went to the dealer on Saturday to ask about whether the following issues with my car would be covered by the warranty: leaking VANOS oil line, fault code 296b (post-cat O2 sensors mixed up), and to see if I could be reimbursed for replacing my MAF sensor, MAF sensor boot, and O2 sensors within the past few weeks. I haven't gotten an outright "NO" yet, but the service manager wanted to defer to the warranty specialists who only work during the week. I have an appointment for Wednesday, so more to follow...stay tuned!
Best of luck!
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