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Old 04-23-2012, 12:21 PM   #21
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Are there any gun laws you're in favor of? Should anyone be able to buy and carry whatever they want and as much as they want?
Not many.

Considering the THOUSANDS of gun laws on the books, many of which are either unconstitutional, illegal, violate preemption, conflict one another or generally just impossible to understand to learn completely to the layperson... It creates an environment where our laws, sneak up, trick or otherwise punish people that are TRYING their hardest to stay legal and follow the law. I spend many hours reading case law, statutes, judicial reviews, state law, federal law, local law, ordinances, policies, etc so that I don't accidentally break the law. I still have concerns that I'll miss something. OVER-lawing will never be effective, but only harmful to the populous in general. 99% of people don't have the "enthusiam" that I do and those people will find themselves, fined, jailed or otherwise restricted from exercising rights because of honest mistakes.

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What constitutes certified mental illness? Are you suggesting that everyone have a mental evaluation before purchasing a gun or are you just confident that the people who are mentally ill have already been identified as such?

Violent felons? How violent? Domestic quarrel? Non-weapons charges?

How about registration? Should we know who owns what? Restrictions on resales?
There are certain federal and state disqualifies for owning firearms. I don't believe drug charges should be one of them, nor do I feel things like PFA (restraining orders) or 302's (mental admissions) should either. If an estranged husband will ignore an imaginary line of 200ft (LOL) around his wife... he'll ignore any law that says he can't own a firearm or kill her. Simply not effective there. PFA's are many times granted to PSYCHO women that make up abuse stories or lie about something their husband did in retaliation for not getting new shoes or perhaps he was cheating on the stupid bish.

302s, whether involuntary or voluntary often occur because parents don't know how to parent their kids and use these facilities as a parenting measure. We've also all had periods of depression or sadness, where we need to seek help, but recover in time. Why make firearm ownership restricted for the rest of their lives because of something that happened in one brief period of it?

No... people should not have mental evaluations before purchase. The whole assumed innocent thing and invasion of privacy. As far as felons?
If someone is convicted of a crime... and serves their time... they should have ALL RIGHTS reinstated once released. If they are still deemed a risk to society or not trusted with a gun, THEY SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED, PERIOD. If someone is released and deemed ready for society, all rights restored.

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Someone like me walked into a gun show and purchased a rifle and then disappeared. I guess I didn't realize that guns didn't come with a title or something like a car.
"Someone like you" ? What wrong with you? Don't trust yourself?
Guns are a right... cars are a privilege. VERY simple to understand.

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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people who own/sell guns, but I guess it was just a little overwhelming to see so many people buying weapons and accessories that are pretty much specifically designed to allow them to kill humans. Tactical scopes, silencers, old ladies buying pocket revolvers with no safeties, and gun vendors handing out pistol key chains along with a "don't take this to school now" disclaimers. It's something I had never seen before.
I still think you are a libby troll, and highly doubt that is you in the new story video. Post a picture for proof.

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My friend was buying a similar rifle for his dad in New York. The seller knew this and said as long as the buyer had a SC address and ID he didn't care where it went as long as he promised to "not give it to a felon."
What's the problem? Only a handful of states require registraion... not oddly enough, those same states are missing 2A languages to their state constitutions too.
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Shifting gears a little (now that all the gun people are in here), do you think that we got ripped off on these guns?

Mine is a 1933 Mosin Nagant with a Hex receiver. Came with a bayonet, cleaning kit (junk Cold War issue), and the shoulder strap. It was listed at $179 but I talked him down to $159 and he threw in a box of 20 rounds. All matching numbers and has the original stock and everything.

My friend got a slightly newer version (1941?) of the gun without the hex receiver and paid the same.
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How about children?
If their parents are okay with it (or other legal guardian) then sure.

I'll try to make this simple: without good reason to believe it would be illegal for the other person to buy your gun or that they were planning to use it for an illegal purpose, then it should be legal to sell it to them.
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Shifting gears a little (now that all the gun people are in here), do you think that we got ripped off on these guns?

Mine is a 1933 Mosin Nagant with a Hex receiver. Came with a bayonet, cleaning kit (junk Cold War issue), and the shoulder strap. It was listed at $179 but I talked him down to $159 and he threw in a box of 20 rounds. All matching numbers and has the original stock and everything.

My friend got a slightly newer version (1941?) of the gun without the hex receiver and paid the same.
In really good shape I'd pay about $125 tops for a 1933 91/30 if it was for a collection etc. You can still buy mosins for under $100 many places. In short, you probably overpaid a little, but you didn't get ripped off. The ammo is also cheap, 880 rounds will cost ya around $150-170 shipped for surplus ammo to shoot down it so the 20 rounds isn't exactly a big selling bonus.

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Shifting gears a little (now that all the gun people are in here), do you think that we got ripped off on these guns?

Mine is a 1933 Mosin Nagant with a Hex receiver. Came with a bayonet, cleaning kit (junk Cold War issue), and the shoulder strap. It was listed at $179 but I talked him down to $159 and he threw in a box of 20 rounds. All matching numbers and has the original stock and everything.

My friend got a slightly newer version (1941?) of the gun without the hex receiver and paid the same.
Well you got a prewar model with a hex receiver which is good. Do you know the country of origin? Finnish mosins are
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"Someone like you" ? What wrong with you? Don't trust yourself?
Guns are a right... cars are a privilege. VERY simple to understand.

I still think you are a libby troll, and highly doubt that is you in the new story video. Post a picture for proof.

What's the problem? Only a handful of states require registraion... not oddly enough, those same states are missing 2A languages to their state constitutions too.
I'm a real person and I'm pretty liberal, but I do respect people's right to own guns. I was just overwhelmed by the whole process I guess.

I'm a self proclaimed unskilled unknowledgeable (now)gun owner. I feel like I should have been required to take some formal training to own a firearm is all I was trying to say about the situation. Don't get me wrong, I feel like a total badass now, but it is still all surreal to me.

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I'm a real person and I'm pretty liberal, but I do respect people's right to own guns. I was just overwhelmed by the whole process I guess.

I'm a self proclaimed unskilled unknowledgeable (now)gun owner. I feel like I should have been required to take some formal training to own a firearm is all I was trying to say about the situation. Don't get me wrong, I feel like a total badass now, but it is still all surreal to me.

I'm at work but snapped some pics to send to friends yesterday. I attached a couple (note the orange rugby shirt)
First an apology

Next, welcome. You will learn a lot from this forum, ask away. I also HIGHLY suggest joining a local, state gun forum to learn the relevant firearms laws in your state as well as federal. (Ask here too. Some of us are pretty knowledgeable).

I encourage taking a class as it will benefit you. I see the value in training... continuous training, but don't feel it should ever be mandatory.

As far as how "easy" it was to get a gun... That's what a RIGHT feels like. Feels good huh? Addictive.
When most people express or use a right... they feel guilty or like they are doing something wrong... that is sad

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This forum may have some shooters near you who can help ya with getting into the addiction http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/forum.php It's primarily for Georgia people, but we let anyone in and you're not too far from Augusta etc so there may be some good advice on ranges near you.
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First an apology

Next, welcome. You will learn a lot from this forum, ask away. I also HIGHLY suggest joining a local, state gun forum to learn the relevant firearms laws in your state as well as federal. (Ask here too. Some of us are pretty knowledgeable).

I encourage taking a class as it will benefit you. I see the value in training... continuous training, but don't feel it should ever be mandatory.

As far as how "easy" it was to get a gun... That's what a RIGHT feels like. Feels good huh? Addictive.
When most people express or use a right... they feel guilty or like they are doing something wrong... that is sad

Right not used are rights lost
Thanks... My friend knows a guy who is an avid gun enthusiast and owns many weapons. We plan on going to the firing range with him soon to shoot these and several of his personal weapons.

I totally see the fun in owning a rifle for recreational use, but the need for a pistol for anything other than self defense seems silly to me. I could never shoot another person, but again, that is just me...

My neighbor's (friend) dad recommended we fire from behind a tree the first time in case these things blow up in our faces .
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I could never shoot another person, but again, that is just me... .
If you walked in on someone raping and stabbing your wife or someone pulled up to your child in a van and started to kidnap them or someone grabbed you on the street and put a gun to your head, you could never bring yourself to shoot them?

Man... you ARE a liberal
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If you walked in on someone raping and stabbing your wife or someone pulled up to your child in a van and started to kidnap them or someone grabbed you on the street and put a gun to your head, you could never bring yourself to shoot them?

Man... you ARE a liberal
Baby steps JonJon... Baby steps...
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I assume I should clean this gun before shooting.
-Is the cheap cleaning kit at Walmart going to work for me or should I get something better?
-Firing the gun, what should I expect, is this thing going to break my arm off?
-How should I store this? I have it unloaded propped in the corner of my closet right now.
-Any other tips?

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Is it coated in cosmoline? If not, then you're probably fine with a generic rifle cleaning kit. Watch a youtube vid etc on how to properly clean it.
If the recoil dislocates your shoulder just have your buddy shoot it using the back side of your shoulder to brace the butt of the gun. That should put your shoulder back in its socket
Ideally in some case or a safe if your home is accessible to others/children.
Have a gunsmith or good gun guy inspect it before firing.
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Since you now own one of "the three", you should familiarize yourself with the following http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm
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I assume I should clean this gun before shooting.
-Is the cheap cleaning kit at Walmart going to work for me or should I get something better? Yes but make sure the firearm is inspected and known to be safe before you fire it. As was also mentioned, you should clean all the cosmoline off of it. Once it's properly clean, the kit from Wally World will be enough to keep it going. Make sure you have the right size bore brush.
-Firing the gun, what should I expect, is this thing going to break my arm off? lulz, youtube a video of someone firing a mosin. Again, wear a jacket or get some padding when you shoot it. Mosins are very raw weapons, there isn't anything on it for your comfort or to reduce the recoil.
-How should I store this? I have it unloaded propped in the corner of my closet right now. Do you have children? If no, just get a simple case for it and put it under your bed or in the closet. If yes, consider getting a locking safe or a gun lock for it.
-Any other tips? Have fun! Welcome to your new addiction, your wallet has a new reason to not like you anymore.
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M bayonet will never come off. The cool factor is amazing.
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It's more accurate with the bayonet on too
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What constitutes certified mental illness? Are you suggesting that everyone have a mental evaluation before purchasing a gun or are you just confident that the people who are mentally ill have already been identified as such?

Violent felons? How violent? Domestic quarrel? Non-weapons charges?

How about registration? Should we know who owns what? Restrictions on resales?
There are levels of mental illness. I deal with mental illness on a daily basis, and I'm uniquely trained and qualified as an expert on interacting with people with mental illness and personality disorders. Having said that, there are a significant number of mental illnesses that do not disqualify you from gun ownership. People with depression, anxiety disorders, schizo-affective disorder, ADD, ADHD, borderline personality disorder, sociopaths and narcissism may all still qualify for gun ownership. The caveat is in relation to severity and the impact that their level of mental illness/disorder has affected themselves or the public around them. One might argue the someone with depression shouldn't buy a gun, but on the same token, they're not typically a danger to others. People with extreme narcissism or sociopathy should not be allowed to buy guns due to many extensive problems, but they may never go into the mental health system and can therefore pass muster.
What does disqualify people are court ordered civil commitments and legal declarations of mental illness and defect. Additional information can include continuous contacts by medical and police personnel with people who have demonstrated extensive psychiatric instability. The system isn't perfect, but the people who would be disqualified on a Form 4473 generally know they are, or are too far out in left field with documented history to pass the process. Two cases in point-

Subject 1: Thought there were demons in her house, so she set her townhome on fire at 3am. The townhome was connected to three other units. We got everyone evacuated and threw her in the back of a squad car. She was subsequently committed to the state Security Hospital for indefinite term. Can't buy a gun.

Subject 2: No confirmed mental illness, but constantly calls us to report various conspiracies about the nurses union stalking her, driving vehicle with one headlight. Every vehicle that she sees with one headlight is a vehicle sent by the local nurse's union to harass and stalk her. They have put listening devices in her walls. Unmarked police cars can't respond to her house because she believes they aren't real cops, and they are sent by the people who are after her. She has never been legally indicated as mentally ill or defective, but if she applied for a MN Permit to Purchase a Handgun (and assault rifle- can't figure out how that is relevant), she would get rejected immediately due to extensive mental health contacts. Last I checked the records have been accessed by the State, and hence would likely be able to retrieved by the FBI during a NICS check. She once asked me about whether I thought she should carry a gun. She then asked where someone can buy a gun. She has no firm plant in reality, and she stated that she would carry a gun without a permit because the nurse's union could get her information if she got a carry permit. The instant she said that, given our history, we immediately notified the State to flag her within our state and federal records.


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There's a fairly concrete list of what constitutes a violent crime, as opposed to a non-violent crime. The BJS lists murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault as violent crimes.
This. Another disqualifier is domestic violence related convictions.
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