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Old 08-24-2016, 08:13 PM   #1
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Does anyone need an EpiPen?

Apparently Mylan, the new EpiPen owner, jacked up the price 400%. I don't need this item myself. But I imagine the financial burden on those that rely on these for the random encounter with an allergic reaction in the course of normal, every day activity may be overwhelming.

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The Mylan controversy fits a similar pattern. Mylan has increased the price of its EpiPen from about $57 a shot when it took over sales of the product in 2007 to more than $600 for two auto-injectors. But the company’s EpiPen is a more mainstream drug used to treat life-threatening allergic reactions from bee stings, food allergies or other triggers, which could give the issue a larger constituency.
Mylan declined to comment when asked to explain the price hike or Bresch’s role in promoting legislation. Manchin’s office also didn’t respond to requests for comment.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...allergy-epipen

They seem to have taken notes from Martin Shkreli.

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Old 08-24-2016, 08:17 PM   #2
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Apparently Mylan, the new EpiPen owner, jacked up the price 400%. I don't need this item myself. But I imagine the financial burden on those that rely on these for the random encounter with an allergic reaction in the course of normal, every day activity may be overwhelming.



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...allergy-epipen

They seem to have taken notes from Martin Shkreli.

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Haven't research this much but it sure sounds ruthless and unforgivable. I guess there's a chance of something "more to the story" that might explain why they are doing it but I can't imagine what that would be.
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:20 PM   #3
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Apparently they have a limited shelf/use life, too. So it's not like you can just bite the bullet and buy one you can carry for a long time until you happen to need it.
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:29 PM   #4
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This is huge right now with the school nurses I talk to often (I volunteer at a few schools as my time allows). The one year shelf life means that some families are buying these damn things for hundreds and hundreds of dollars with insurance taken into consideration... On the order of $3-$400 apiece (and some families have more than one child in two or more schools)... Or doing without.

I also understand the CEO, the daughter of a Congressman, has enjoyed a nearly-600% salary and bonus increase in the last few years... Now that her company is the sole provider of these epi pens, the price has skyrocketed. So care providers and mommas and daddies are all up in arms and blasting social media with their outrage...
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Inb4 "But they're a business" argument

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"Ultimately EpiPen is actually a bargain. It saves you all the cost of going to the emergency room. Just the ambulance ride can be $1,000.” Shkreli said. “Like I said, it’s $300 a pack. $300. My iPhone is $700."

“Everyone’s thinking about the patient’s families, but no one's thinking about Mylan’s.”
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Because capitalism and business stuff.
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Who cares? It's natural selection. We don't want those peanut allergy pussy genes in our pool anyway.
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How is there not a generic? Thing's been on the market since the 80's.
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Sounds like a great business opportunity for some other manufacturer.
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How is there not a generic? Thing's been on the market since the 80's.
I believe they hold the patent on the delivery system and not the drug (which I want to say is just regular epinephrine) itself.

If anyone does need one, search Reddit. There was a discussion about this last week. Someone offered to take the dimensions of an old delivery system and upload it, so that people could print 3D copies for themselves. So just a heads up if anyone wants to avoid paying the extremely high prices right now.
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Who cares? It's natural selection. We don't want those peanut allergy pussy genes in our pool anyway.
Avoiding death isn't cheap! Nor should it be. There is profit to be made from people who don't want to die from an allergic reaction.
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Seems like a money grab from Mylan before a generic comes to market. Teva is working on one, but was delayed by the FDA. Another alternative was recently pulled from the market due to concerns if the drug is actually being delivered correctly. I'd guess Mylan sees an opportunity where they have a bit of a monopoly on the product and are trying to max their profits before they're forced to lower the cost due to competition.

Not sure that I'd buy an EpiPen that some guy on Reddit 3D printed though...
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There isn't a generic because of a patent on the delivery system. You can buy the drug and a syringe for next to nothing as long as you know how to give an injection.

The girl running the company never finished her MBA and the president of her school was an old friend of her father, a VA senator, and suddenly her transcript magically showed that she took and passed classes that she never attended and she was given an MBA.
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There isn't a generic because of a patent on the delivery system. You can buy the drug and a syringe for next to nothing as long as you know how to give an injection.

The girl running the company never finished her MBA and the president of her school was an old friend of her father, a VA senator, and suddenly her transcript magically showed that she took and passed classes that she never attended and she was given an MBA.
well then, no sympathy for these schmucks bitching about this. someone else can develop a delivery system or people can learn to shoot up themselves. what is so special about the delivery? just jam it in your leg and squeeze! god damn people are fvcking lazy and dumb. diabetics do this **** multiple times a day!
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Mylan acquired the EpiPen line of epinephrine autoinjector devices from Merck KGaA as part of their 2007 deal.[23] The devices deliver about $1 worth of drug.
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Again, people are just lazy as fvck!!! $1 worth of the drug and replace it 4 times per year and carry around a syringe and spend 10 minutes learning how to inject it. fvck society!
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The issue in general is that healthcare has inelastic demand and it is buffered by insurance, so where's the drive for suppliers to reduce prices? The only way we are able to reduce prices is by having insurance companies cut items off their formulary or tell drug companies that they won't pay asking for the drug (e.g. Sovaldi/Harmonic HepC drugs)

How insurance companies determine whether cost is worth it is exactly what Shkreli said -- if it prevents hospital admission and is cheaper then they will pay
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