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Old 05-24-2012, 04:16 AM   #1
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Question Curious........ Selling the E46

Hey guys..... I been debating on selling the 323i, I really want an E46 M3 but they are so hard to find in good condition and at a decent price now that I kind have accepted that the M is going to be alot harder to find then something else, While out car shopping this week I stumbled across like 10 E60/61 5 Series that really struck me.. I would be buying the 5 as a DD but do not want to go the V8 route, I would like to stick to a M/T 6 speed V6 with turbo, only for economy reasons. What are your guys thoughts..? Im sure im going to get put on blast for selling the E46 but its just too slow, not that the 5 will be much faster , but I think its a hell of a lot sexier with the right shoes and socks

For the haters who are curious about the E46, the car now has 130k, bought it 8 months ago with 105k. M/T 5 spd, leather, power seats, sunroof, Steel blue metallic. the car is in almost excellent condition with the exception of the SAP mounts being broken on it, and my Washer res has just sprung a leak. Other then that the factory AC blows cold, car drives like a dream but could use a susp. upgrade as its all stock. Still owe 5k on the car but I have a gf who is considering buying it as it for payoff which is not a bad deal considering I was an idiot and got raped for this car, paid 6900 for it not long ago, and the first week i had it i put 1000 into it to replace the electric fan($750), Vanos (Besian kit), all the belts have been repaced as well as the hydraulic tensioner, idler and ac belts. Also the fuel filter and air filters have been changed and 2x Oil Change has been done already, and the plugs have been changed Also just bought a brand new set of Eagle GT tires still stock 16" ($650) that have hardly any wear on them. Car gets 26.4 mpg on the dash and well over 400 mi/ tank depending on the amount of hw driving I do.
Current Payoff is a little over $5K

No pics of the 5Series as of yet, im going to go look and drive it again this morning after I get off of work at 8am, will post pics and let you know how it goes. Looking at a 04, black on black and i think it has something around 120-130k mi on it but the dealer wants $18.9K, Im thinking thats a little over priced considering the KBB is only something like 17K?
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #2
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So your gonna sell an e46 to get a older 5 series?
All of the bmws are slow until you start either turbo'ing, s/charging, or just get an m3. M3s come along pretty often.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #3
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I'm confused... what BMW has a turbo V6?
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:50 AM   #4
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I'm confused even more... you owe 5 grand on your 2000 323?
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #5
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I'm not aware of any V6 turbo engine for the E60. I'd pay down the 323 first, but the 5-series is going to make a much more practical DD than the M3.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #6
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BMW and V6? lol. this made my day.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:32 AM   #7
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If you're cost-sensitive, you're damn right about not getting the V8. It costs a fortune to keep that N62 engine in good shape. In fact, if you're cost-sensitive, it might be better to stay away from anything BMW!

I think that price is a bit high for an '04.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:22 PM   #8
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If the BMW isnt 04/05+... Stop by the store and get some vaseline too.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:42 PM   #9
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Unless you just came into some money this is a bad idea. Do your research on the car you're looking to buy.

For starters:

- 2004 E60 525i manuals retail around $12K w/ 100K miles
- 2008 was the first year E60's came with a turbo I6. If you find one for $19K it's likely either a buyback (lemon) or out of HPFP warranty
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #10
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Are you aware of the maint. involved with owning a Turbo'd engine? I-6... inline my friend!
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:22 PM   #11
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Are you aware of the maint. involved with owning a Turbo'd engine? I-6... inline my friend!
I'm keeping my E46 forever, but am curious, what are the added maintenance issues of a turbocharged engine?
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:31 PM   #12
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I'm keeping my E46 forever, but am curious, what are the added maintenance issues of a turbocharged engine?
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Everything Oil, healthy turbo engines should be well cooled and lubricated. Use synthetic oil only for your turbo engine because these oils can tackle extreme temperatures. Change oil every 2,500 to 3,000 miles because oil breaks down and gets dirty in time. Always check the oil level and remember to let the oil cool down first before you turn off the engine of your car. Just leave the car idle for a few minutes. It will help you prevent any damage on your engine bearings and oil lines. Check that all turbo bearings are well lubricated before using the car, especially after you have undergone oil change. Check for oil leaks. Contaminants in the engine oil like dirt or carbon, if not collected by the oil filter, can enter the turbo charger.

Supplementary tips for turbo maintenance. Check the wastegate signal hose for any cracks or signs of hardening. Make sure that the throttle position sensor or TPS is working well. Clean the throttle body every 30,000 miles. Do not allow your tires to go bald since it will affect suspension. In a fully powered turbo car, you wouldn't want to fall onto potholes real hard. Air filter must be replaced every 10,000 miles. Replace the timing belt every 40,000 miles. During long drives and heavy traffic situations, it would be helpful if you have a switch in line with the air-conditioning fan for the turbo system to cool down. Foreign objects into the engine can damage the turbine. Frequent basic checkups of the turbo engine are important to prevent any possible damages. Immediately address any problems so they won't get bigger and nastier. If the turbocharger needs to be replaced, replace it with a turbo of a different type. Make sure you that you are getting the correct type of turbocharger for your engine so avoid faulty turbo performance, high fuel and oil consumptions, and engine damage. When you have modified your engine, you need to modify your turbocharger as well. Plan your trips well and know when your next stop is to adjust your throttle. In the last few miles of driving, avoid using full throttle and let the engine start to relax to prevent excessive heat build-up in the turbo when you need to turn the engine off. Go to a professional who is an expert in turbochargers for any concerns on your turbo car.

Following the tips above for turbo maintenance can help you get the most out of your turbo petrol car and you can take advantage of:

- More horsepower which you require
- More torque
- Better throttle response
- Smoother operation
- Safer overtaking

The turbo kit you installed has already cost you some amount. If it breaks down on you due to factory defect, you can always claim for warranty immediately. If the turbo car breaks down to due to neglect on turbo maintenance then you will have more costly things to come your way.
More parts to worry about maintaining.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:43 PM   #13
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^^^ Where did you find that gibberish crap
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:57 PM   #14
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^^^ Where did you find that gibberish crap
Excuse my french, that was a quick pull from the interwebz, I didn't get to read it all. Just do a goog search of what upkeep is required with the extra parts under the hood. Plenty of stuff to read, decide for yourself.
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There is no additional upkeep. Just more **** to go wrong.
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There is no additional upkeep. Just more **** to go wrong.
You mean to tell me none of the extra parts EVER require cleaning?
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:18 PM   #18
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Please give this a look over
http://www.workturbochargers.com/kno...ilure-101.html
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:29 PM   #19
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I got my first boosted car, a GSX, a decade ago. Personal experience > quick google searches.

What else did you think you'd clean? That link talks about changing the oil and filters. How is changing your oil and filters per the manufacturer's recommendation "additional maintenance?"
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Not trying to say you're wrong at all Cho. Additional compared to a car with out a turbo. More frequent changes of oil, filter, plugs, and w/e else. If you don't love it like it should be, stuff starts fudging up. No telling what an OP has done w/o proper lookover. I'm not saying if you have a turbo'd car you're going to be sitting in your garage with a rag meticulously cleaning. Just like a normal intake, stuff gets in there. Dirt, dust, grime. More parts to tend. No matter what intervals. Like you said. More **** to go wrong. (if not taken care of properly.) I'm not a boost guru either. Not claiming to be one. I've had a few buddies with boosted cars and they all have voiced their opinion of more upkeep and potential for disaster.
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