2013 BMW M5 vs. 2012 Cadillac CTS-V - One guess who the winner is!

Originally Posted by e46beemer702

Cadillac will always be second over all, their interior kills it all the time. The only way Cadillac would win is if it was made in Germany, designed, tested and built, we Americans care about the bottom line before anything.

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The interior of the Cadillac isn't that bad. I don't think the 5 Series or M5 has a draw dropping interior either.

Caddy reminds me of an amg, it's a car to ride in, not to drive and they just stuff a huge v8 in it

Originally Posted by ryannel2003

The interior of the Cadillac isn't that bad. I don't think the 5 Series or M5 has a draw dropping interior either.

Hence the price diference, BMW is a solid car, the metal pieces inside are actualy metal not plastic dipped in metal chrome. BMW has haf 50/50 weight ratio for years that is something Cadillac just figured out, and yes GM will mess things up they care about how much something cost before anything...Cadillac must of spent 50 dollars worth of cheap plastic on their interior, BMW spends that on a piece of birch wood accent..not simulated wood.

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Agreed, but the Cadillac interior is pretty solid other than a few pieces of cheap trim here and there. It's not up to snuff with the M5, but GM spent more of their money with this platform on suspension and handling than interior or engines. That's why they just stuffed a Corvette motor under the hood. Not that I think that was a bad idea, but obviously the competition is using more refined motors. I think what's amazing is that 10 years ago Cadillac was building FWD luxoboats and they now have a car that actually competes with cars like the M5 and E63 AMG and people don't laugh you out of the room. It's impressive work, that's for sure.

I'm also a self proclaimed Cadillac nut as well. I'm the one who actually liked the luxoboats and owned one.

My whole thing on the racing industry is this:

How can you honestly say whose better when both parties have a year or more to revamp their platforms and come back stronger. What Im saying is the M5 was top dog for YEARS, which means GM had YEARS to perfect their cadillac and develop it to purposely beat the M. Then BMW had a year or two to revamp and figure out what they needed to do to edge out their competition and the vicious cycle continues on.

This method does not prove, at least in my opinion, the better platform. This only proves that both companies R&D Departments are earning their money.

We have seen this same situation happening for the last couple of years with the GTR and the ZR1. GTR comes out and breaks Records, GM goes to the drawing board and comes back in a year with a machine PURPOSELY built to beat the GTR and it goes on and on. This is what is happening and will continue to happen.

Want to really impress people? Give the automotive companies a category to research and build upon, give them resources they need but do not allow them to communicate in any way, the give them all the same budget and time... Lets say 2-3 years... And have them meet on the same track with same conditions. The same tires, same drivers, everything and then crown a winner. Only then can it be said who is champion.

This way there is no way to know what your opponents are bringing to the table thus making it impossible for each other to know what the opposing sides strengths and weaknesses will be.

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I've been away for a while do to a bad accident , but its good to know some things never change. It was just last year , I believe , that the M5 lost to the CTS-V in a shoot out in the same magazine.I'll admit, I don't own a new M5 , but I do have a 2008 e92 M3 MT and my wife traded in her 335 for a 2011 CTS-V. Compared to the last gen M5 interior, the Caddy's interior is nicer IMO.I love BMW's. I still own the first 3 series I ever bought. But I also love lots of other cars. to say "The only way Cadillac would win is if it was made in Germany, designed, tested and built, we Americans care about the bottom line before anything." is a bit ignorant . If GM did truly only care about the bottom line the CTS-V wouldn't even exist. WE as Americans have really stepped up our automotive game in the last 5 yrs or so. Its just too bad people that people buy into the hype that all foreign cars are better.This isn't the 80's anymore. a lot has changed. I absolutely love my 2001 330 ( i still have it), but I've spent more time under the hood ( & under the dash and behind the door panels and in the sunroof). It has its flaws AND I LOVE IT FOR IT.

History repeats its self, the first time cadillac tried to compete against the 3 series they came up with the cimarron the whole galaxy knows how that went it almost bankrupted Cadillac. all they do is put a Corvette motor in everything and call it a new concept or BMW killer.

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Originally Posted by e46beemer702

History repeats its self, the first time cadillac tried to compete against the 3 series they came up with the cimarron the whole galaxy knows how that went it almost bankrupted Cadillac. all they do is put a Corvette motor in everything and call it a new concept or BMW killer.

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OK so I can tell right from the go you've never spent time in a CTSV. So how has history repeating itself? So you fall back on the classic...."Oh the just stuck corvette engine in it " excuse. Hate to tell you but they only share about 20% of the corvette parts.( to that end, I could say BMW take one engine and stick it in about 90% of its cars)& there's no use saying the caddy is only good for straight line driving because around Monticello My M3 and CTSV are close. It all depends on whos driving. This is BMW's newest and baddest M5 and the already 4 yr old Caddy still goes nose to nose with it.LIke I said, both these cars are awesome, but if you are going to take the stance that " its a BMW so it wins " then you are going to miss out on some seriously nice cars. I have a KR1300 so I love my beemers too

Originally Posted by Reznick

OK so I can tell right from the go you've never spent time in a CTSV. So how has history repeating itself? So you fall back on the classic...."Oh the just stuck corvette engine in it " excuse. Hate to tell you but they only share about 20% of the corvette parts.( to that end, I could say BMW take one engine and stick it in about 90% of its cars)& there's no use saying the caddy is only good for straight line driving because around Monticello My M3 and CTSV are close. It all depends on whos driving. This is BMW's newest and baddest M5 and the already 4 yr old Caddy still goes nose to nose with it.LIke I said, both these cars are awesome, but if you are going to take the stance that " its a BMW so it wins " then you are going to miss out on some seriously nice cars. I have a KR1300 so I love my beemers too

Nope, I will never set foot in a GM made product as long as I live, maybe if I get arrested and force to be in one otherwise no.

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Originally Posted by tonykim

don't get me wrong but for the brand new state of the art F10 M5 to edge out a 4 year old CTSv competitor by such a narrow margin I am a bit disappointed. I foresee the revised CTSv to even it back up and then some. And even if the F10 can be modified in the near future or they up the boost somewhat, this current CTSV with $3-5k of mods is at 625 hp with a stock cam and heads. And with heads and cam over 700 hp easily. so bmw has their work cut out for them. For the $ i'd buy a low mileage caddy and dump in some mods and have $ left over for a nice E46 M3.

My fav videos of the 700 hp CTSv.

That's kinda slow for the hennessy package.. sad that a heavy ass truck could beat it..



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what's more interesting and reveailing than this stupid Road & Track comparo is the Car & Driver Comparo where the NEW E63 AMG and NEW S6 BOTH beat the NEW F10 M5 head to head. not a 6 year old car v a brand new one...

pretty disappointed with the new M5 to be honest (based on car mag reviews at least). aside from the blue paint color...

Originally Posted by e46beemer702

Nope, I will never set foot in a GM made product as long as I live, maybe if I get arrested and force to be in one otherwise no.

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I'm sorry but what is so bad about GM products? That's all my entire family has and they have all been extremely reliable.

I can't believe so many people here are saying the Cadillac is better.

Less expensive and just as fast? Sure, but that doesn't mean better.

If you're going to use the same logic, why didn't you buy a Pontiac Grand Am instead of your 3 series?

Originally Posted by ryannel2003

I'm sorry but what is so bad about GM products? That's all my entire family has and they have all been extremely reliable.

Paint,interior lack of design both inside n out, ride, durability, my bros 19 year old 3 series has perfect paint n clearcoat, runs n the a/c still cold. many many more reasons... People chime in.

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Originally Posted by slocar

I can't believe so many people here are saying the Cadillac is better.

Less expensive and just as fast? Sure, but that doesn't mean better.

If you're going to use the same logic, why didn't you buy a Pontiac Grand Am instead of your 3 series?

I seen the interior on caddilacs they still use cheap plastic and tons of it. Why people compare them to BMW is besides me.

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