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Old 07-04-2012, 05:45 PM   #1
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My car just shut down on the road won't restart

Had a engine light on for a day or so then today on way to store just started to sputter and engine shut down. Would not start just turned over and over. Got it Flatbeded to my Indy. Tried to change everything (coolant refresh, fuel filter, pulleys) last few months so I wouldn't be left on side of the road but obviously something just shut me down .

Any ideas what it may be? I guess I will know tomorrow when Indy opens up.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:58 PM   #2
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fuel pump maybe?
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:34 PM   #3
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:34 PM   #4
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You need to pull codes. It can be anything.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:54 PM   #5
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You need to pull codes. It can be anything.
When my fuel pump failed and stranded me last week, and had it towed to the indy, when I asked him whether or not there were any codes generated, hidden or not, and he said there weren't any. Is he lying, or are there events that exist that would not throw a code?

But I also agree, fuel pump is suspect, but there are other things it could be. Rule out everything else first. Fuel pump replacement can be a big money maker for the shop. Unfortunately my indy boned me big time to replace fuel pump, filter, seals, just over $1000. Don't think I am going back.

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Old 07-04-2012, 07:07 PM   #6
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$3 can of starting fluid and a good solid 2 second shot into the air cleaner box will tell you if it is a fuel related problem. Car will start then immediately die.

You should read this thread - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...501&highlight=

Usually these fuel pumps on the E46 do not trigger any codes, sometimes you will get lean codes. E39 will sometimes show up a fuel pump relay when the pump is usually at fault.

Also suggest you check the first link below in my signature for info on codes and vacuum leaks and also check the hidden OBC menu and check your fuel tank levels. If the right tank is empty, you can probably add a few gallons of fuel to get home and then order a fuel pump.

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Old 07-04-2012, 07:32 PM   #7
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a fuel pump shouldn't cost more then $250 and is an easy DIY If you paid $1000 to get yours change , I feel bad for you
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Camshaft Sensor might be the problem also
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:54 PM   #9
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I had a check engine light on for a day or two. So there are codes I would assume. Seemed like the engine was starved fuel before it shut. Hope it's just the pump and the last thing that will strand me.
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Old 07-05-2012, 05:46 AM   #10
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See if you can get your car from your indy or have him order your pump from BMA.com

Again, if your right hand fuel tank lobe is empty you can add a few gallons of fuel and get home.

Fuel pump replacement is as easy as changing a tire and you do not have to jack the car up!
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I was hoping someone would suggest 'fuel.' Jfoj got it, I see!

OP, the fuel level sender often fails...sometimes the sucking jet pump (which transfers fuel from one lobe to the other).

Search 'crank no start' here...there are a number of things that could cause this. FP is one. FP relay/fuse also. Then there's the Kalim Fuse...the 20-amp in e-box. If it's blown, could be because one of 9 things it powers has an issue. In my case, the intake cps wire had a kink in it and it was shorting out, blowing Kalim Fuse...which also powers the FP relay.

But, adding fuel is a good starting place.

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Old 07-05-2012, 09:37 AM   #12
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Confimed it's a fuel pump as per Indy using oem charging me 264 for pump, labor not sure yet , what do you think is a fair amount of time to change pump?

They are always fair with me been using him for 16 years.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:40 AM   #13
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Probably a fair price depending on what he pays for the pump and when you will have the car back.

You can get a pump for abour $106, I bet your Indy is paying a lot more?

Suggest you put a fuel filter and pump relay on the near radar as well.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:44 AM   #14
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And to all those who were challenging us in the JFOJ's fuel pump thread---where are you now?

My first reaction from reading the thread title alone was fuel pump. Pretty simple and obvious. What could have been a $107 30 min DIY project has now turned into $265 pump, $100 labor, $100 towing potentially $500 job. Not to mention the inconvenience.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:52 AM   #15
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And to all those who were challenging us in the JFOJ's fuel pump thread---where are you now?

My first reaction from reading the thread title alone was fuel pump. Pretty simple and obvious. What could have been a $107 30 min DIY project has now turned into $265 pump, $100 labor, $100 towing potentially $500 job. Not to mention the inconvenience.
Towing was free (20 buck tip ) through Allstate roadside assistance 80 bucks a year( on Dads policy)

I have changed filter already and happen to have a relay at home will change that when I get it back. Will be ready today.

Funny thing I was reading your thread about the fuel pump last week and was meaning to change it since it was so easy.
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Fuel pump + fuel filter!! Check relay.. "rarer a 100k maintenance or 150k+ if u lucky.

Avoid Indy shop at all means!

Way to expensive ... I would have searched all night before paying Indy shop any money or telling them is okay to touch my car.

Only Indy shop after so many searchs and NO luck on your answer.

Fuel pump fail diagnostic method is to let your fuel get bellow 45 miles left & drive hard and let it idle... if any shutter/engine hesitation/loss power on acceleration or weak is signed of bad fuel delivery to the injectors..." listen to your engine .. it will be obvious ...

Yes miss fires & CEL did come when I had my bad fuel pump.

Check my fuel pump threads ..

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Just finished replacing my fuel pump the other day. Final cost was 45 mins of my time and 140 bucks after tax and shipping was included.
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Just finished replacing my fuel pump the other day. Final cost was 45 mins of my time and 140 bucks after tax and shipping was included.
I really regret not doing it now I'm paying triple oh well.
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And to all those who were challenging us in the JFOJ's fuel pump thread---where are you now?
My first reaction from reading the thread title alone was fuel pump. Pretty simple and obvious. What could have been a $107 30 min DIY project has now turned into $265 pump, $100 labor
What did they challenging you guys about exactly? That fuel pumps can go out or something else? Sure they can/do go out. And when the car gives you a Check Light and codes that suggest it's on it's way out then you can replace it. Simple logic no?? There is no reason this thread couldn't not have been about reading the codes and replacing it himself for $107.
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Had a engine light on for a day or so then today on way to store just started to sputter and engine shut down..
sorry but the car told you the problem days before you drove it til it shut down. not picking on you, just pointing out that had you taken heed in those days prior you would/could be posting how it cost nothing extra. if you had to do over I have a feeling you'd have checked the codes immediately??
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