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Old 03-25-2013, 08:04 AM   #21
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I agree with you to an extent, I think that team orders shouldn't dictate drivers decisions, unfortuately it's not a perfect world and team orders will exist whether they are banned or not. However, when it comes to an prior understanding that both drivers are to put their cars into conservation mode, with the agreement that they will see out the race in those placings, only for the team mate to use up that opportunity to play catch up and then snatch the glory? Seems a bit shady to me!

However, Mark did try the same sneaky tactics back in Britain 2010, people shouldn't forget that, but as we know, that didn't work out too well!

Either way, I am in complete agreement with you regarding actual racing, I would rather see some wheel to wheel racing than some namphy decisions from above giving us a predictable finish. Either way, it makes for very entertaining viewing. the tension in the driver's lounge in the post race was so thick. If the camera wasn't there, I'm sure we would have seen Seb come out to the podium with a black eye!

I have a feeling it will be a good season!
I've only heard bits and pieces regarding this 'prior agreement' but I somehow doubt that Seb would ever agree to finish the race in 2nd place with some 20 laps to go.

This is what I see, and please help me fill in the gaps if there are any. Seb gained on Mark during the race and told Red Bull that Mark was too slow and they should do something about it (mind you Mark pulled something like 7 tenths on the next lap). Mark had to go into fuel saving mode a short time later (but Seb didn't??) and was probably told not to worry in regards to Seb overtaking him. Seb caught him over a reasonable space of time and challenged him for position, some great driving ensued and Seb ended up outdriving Mark for the position.

I'm not sure what map Mark was on at the time in regards to fuel but obviously he either couldn't outdrive Seb or he didn't have the fuel to turn the car up to defend and still finish the race.

Therefore as far as I'm concerned the issue therein lies with Mark's original fuel levels / race consumption or his driving abilities. Either way, if you don't get the fuel right or you cant out drive those that challenge you for position then you don't deserve to win the race. If it was any other driver then we would all be saying what great driving, what a great pass, what a great win!

I totally get teams not wanting to jeopardise their cars to simply switch points from driver to driver but they have two highly competitive drivers, they are paid to push their cars and go for the gap so that's exactly what they are going to do. There was no contact whatsoever so no harm done. If I was RBR would I be screaming at Vettel to be careful? Yes. Would I be telling him to hold back and not try to pass Mark? No. This driving is what makes the sport interesting and popular, it's what makes their sponsors get viewed and in turn pays the bills.

That's my opinion though and I was multitasking whilst watching the race so could've missed something crucial along the way.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:06 AM   #22
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Having said that, it's stuff like this that is why Seb is multi-WDC. Same vein as Prost, Senna, Schuey. They all had the desire to win at all costs, regardless of the consequences.
It's what separates good drivers from great drivers and makes the sport so exciting to watch!
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:49 AM   #23
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Just a heads up to those new, you get banned for a month if you disclose race results too soon, the mods are fanatical F1 fans.

Webber got robbed, I guess the full story will pan out over the coming weeks.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:39 PM   #24
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You missed a lots of gaps. Read the post race conference transcripts.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:55 PM   #26
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I'm an RBR fan, but Malaysian 2013 made Vettel look like an idiot, whether you believed he outdrove Mark or not. Fact of the matter is Mark did a very good job holding off Vettel whilst he was on a conservation fuel map, medium tyres and obeying team orders.
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To keep this nice and simple, Vettel admitted he screwed up. Prost, Senna and Schumacher never did that if I am not mistaken.
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here we go again..

im not getting involved..

ill just say.. Look at the front of Marks car then look the the front of Sebs.. notice the numbers there?
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:06 PM   #29
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lets leave it from the thought of mark webber ...

Mark says to Vettel " There is me in team Seb, but U are in C_NT". Seb should be stepped down for a race. If it was webber it to seb war would have broken out.
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lets leave it from the thought of mark webber ...

Mark says to Vettel " There is me in team Seb, but U are in C_NT". Seb should be stepped down for a race. If it was webber it to seb war would have broken out.
I have no idea what you just wrote, but I agree!
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My views are how many times has Webber sat in second and aloud the "Multi 21" to unfold. Too our knowledge we would just believe Vettel is just having another excellent day out the front and Webber couldn't catch him. So did he really earn those 3 world championship or was it team orders, decisions before the race and Multi 21 bullshit that has made him what he is. Racing shouldn't involve team orders to hold your position. You should have to out race everyone team mate or not.
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Was there even a race??

ONEHD telecast cut out after the 58 formation laps..
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Multi 21 is an engine map/tune

They've decreased the amount of engines teams can use this season.
The tyres are sh1t and last <10 laps..

F1 is bollocks and boring to watch now.
And I'm not just saying that because McLaren are struggling ..
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V8 Supercars Development series is where its at.
Watching Stoner......
Another load of **** i can't stand about racing at the moment too.
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My views are how many times has Webber sat in second and aloud the "Multi 21" to unfold. Too our knowledge we would just believe Vettel is just having another excellent day out the front and Webber couldn't catch him. So did he really earn those 3 world championship or was it team orders, decisions before the race and Multi 21 bullshit that has made him what he is. Racing shouldn't involve team orders to hold your position. You should have to out race everyone team mate or not.
In the whole of the 2012 season there was 1 race where Webber finished 1 spot behind Vettel where he finished some 8 seconds behind Vettel.

This means that Mark either couldn't overtake given he didn't close the 8 second gap or he took team orders like a b!tch and didn't even fight to prove a point by finishing just a second or two behind Vettel.
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Webber fans seem to forget this.....

Webber
Races :200
Wins: 9
Championships: 0

Vettel
Races :103
Wins:27
Championships: 3


F1 is about the worlds best driver not the worlds best team mate/personality. and Webber is neither. Who gives a fk about what happened to Webber, he isnt a world champion and never will be. How many more years and chances does he need? He only lets Australia down (performance and personality).

Seb is the only chance RBR has of winning championships. HE NEEDS ALL THE POINTS HE CAN GET.

How can you support an Australian Driver who has taken the spot of other young up coming drivers and hasnt done **** in F1? Not only that, but he bad mouths his fans and the Australian GP every year.
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Webber fans seem to forget this.....

Webber
Races :200
Wins: 9
Championships: 0

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Races :103
Wins:27
Championships: 3


F1 is about the worlds best driver not the worlds best team mate/personality. and Webber is neither. Who gives a fk about what happened to Webber, he isnt a world champion and never will be. How many more years and chances does he need? He only lets Australia down (performance and personality).

Seb is the only chance RBR has of winning championships. HE NEEDS ALL THE POINTS HE CAN GET.

How can you support an Australian Driver who has taken the spot of other young up coming drivers and hasnt done **** in F1? Not only that, but he bad mouths his fans and the Australian GP every year.
I remember it was either 2010 or 2011.. after the race he parked the car at the end of the pit exit. And just walked back to the garage.
while all other drivers did their in lap while waving to the fans.
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F1 is about the worlds best driver not the worlds best team mate/personality. and Webber is neither. Who gives a fk about what happened to Webber, he isnt a world champion and never will be. How many more years and chances does he need? He only lets Australia down (performance and personality).

Seb is the only chance RBR has of winning championships. HE NEEDS ALL THE POINTS HE CAN GET.

How can you support an Australian Driver who has taken the spot of other young up coming drivers and hasnt done **** in F1? Not only that, but he bad mouths his fans and the Australian GP every year.
Sorry but that's the biggest load of uninformed sh!t I've read for ages.

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Sorry but that's the biggest load of uninformed sh!t I've read for ages.
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