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Old 07-13-2016, 08:54 AM   #1
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Sick of suspension options before I start

My head is about to explode but I believe I have amassed enough information to order my shock strut kit.

First I have to say I have never seen so many options with so many different opinions on how the mods turned out. So I finally shook my head and looked at it in a process engineering way. Maybe this will help someone else

Do I want to lower the car? For me it's a no

Throw out any shock option no matter how awesome it looks. Wow that cleared the field.

Do I reuse the stock springs. For me yes I like the ride height.

Further cleared the field. I can see remaining options.

Bilstein 04 or 06
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Looking at reviews for these with stock springs the ovwhelming review response for a better overall ride are the Koni gold.

I have always had Bilstein shocks but this time I will defer to Koni

Thanks to everyone that wrote a review on this site about struts / shocks. I feel certain I read it. Need coffee. When I get the kit installed I will also write a review as many before me have.

For the control arms and bushings I defer to Lemfoerder. Lots of little parts to get ordered too, some people have been helping me with this already. This is one of the nicest forums I have been on. I feel right at home here.

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Old 07-13-2016, 09:24 AM   #2
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Can't go wrong with a nice set of Koni Yellows. I had a set on my old 540i/6 and they were wonderful. And yes, Lemforder is a quality brand.

Might consider replacing your steering guibo while you're under there as well.
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Old 07-13-2016, 09:32 AM   #3
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Can't go wrong with a nice set of Koni Yellows. I had a set on my old 540i/6 and they were wonderful. And yes, Lemforder is a quality brand.

Might consider replacing your steering guibo while you're under there as well.
Dleef mentioned that too. Looks like a fiber or rubber attachment in the driveshaft or is that the steering column? Good point and it is on my list.

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Wonder what the difference between the Koni yellow and gold is? Off to go look

Looked at the yellow and gold FSM and I believe the gold is what I will be happiest with.

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Konis have more and more horror stories in the past 5 years on real enthusiast forums. I can go into detail but just take my word for it. Lots and lots of stories of bad quality control with Koni. And yes I've owned them before and many friends have too.

Bilsteins are military-grade. Particularly HD or Sport that use the monotube/inverted design. Bilstein is a very heavy hitter. No nosense kind of brand. Konis may feel great at first, but you'll be jerking your suspension off every 50k just as you do with stock while Bilsteins will still be rock solid at 15+ years and 300,000 miles. They have incredible out of this world service life. You want to twiddle around, grunt and groan under your jackstand supported car every few years? Up to you. Bilsteins will last longer than you do. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...port-35-115069 and combine that with FCP's lifetime replacement warranty and you're really golden!

Re-use springs? I wouldn't recommend it. Springs sag and get twiddly and rusty over time. Especially stock ones. your rear stock springs are likely broken. I think H&R makes a stock compatible spring.
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Old 07-13-2016, 10:18 AM   #5
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Ah, there's that Mango-ism again...

The Billie Sports for the E34 are utter crap. Everyone hates them. But I'll allow that the Bilstein dampers for the E46 might be better matched to the car's suspension characteristics. No experience here.

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If the Bilsteins are "military grade" and will last 300K without breaking a sweat, why would you need a lifetime replacement warranty?

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Evidence that E46 springs sag? Typically springs aren't what's considered a wear item. If you're happy with the ride height, I would reuse them without hesitation.
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Race Consulting Agency has Koni Yellows for $550 shipped for a full set.
I saw that and the Gold FSD are $608

Has anyone ordered from this company before?
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Sigh

Again thanks

Apparently the Koni FSM is a piece of crap

So it's now yellow or Bilstein Pro which lowers the car
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It's the springs that lower the car, not the shocks. You can run either on stock sport springs.
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I saw that and the Gold FSD are $608

Has anyone ordered from this company before?
Plenty of people have ordered from them.

Also read up on this

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/tests/koni_fsd.jsp
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Ok taking everyone's comments into consideration and about 50 more reviews from different sites / people. Then considering what I want the end result to be.

It appears my best choice will be Bilstein B4 or B6 with stock springs which works for me.

I think I will go with the B6 due to the large diameter mono tube design over the dual tube design.

Just thinking about what to do with this car is like walking in a mine field! The goal is to get to the other side without stepping on a mine. Thanks again guys
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Ok taking everyone's comments into consideration and about 50 more reviews from different sites / people. Then considering what I want the end result to be.

It appears my best choice will be Bilstein B4 or B6 with stock springs which works for me.

I think I will go with the B6 due to the large diameter mono tube design over the dual tube design.


Just thinking about what to do with this car is like walking in a mine field! The goal is to get to the other side without stepping on a mine. Thanks again guys
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Ok taking everyone's comments into consideration and about 50 more reviews from different sites / people. Then considering what I want the end result to be.

It appears my best choice will be Bilstein B4 or B6 with stock springs which works for me.

I think I will go with the B6 due to the large diameter mono tube design over the dual tube design.

Just thinking about what to do with this car is like walking in a mine field! The goal is to get to the other side without stepping on a mine. Thanks again guys

It's not a bad choice, but they're better options for slightly less $ than the Billy B6's.



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Bilsteins will last longer than you do. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...port-35-115069 and combine that with FCP's lifetime replacement warranty and you're really golden!
Man, you had me all excited, until I realized there is no Bilstein option for 325xi. As much as I appreciate the X option in the winter, I hate the limited product availability, as well as extra set of CV axles to worry about (knocking on wood).
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Apparently the Koni FSD is a piece of crap
Did you look at the post dates from those threads? They are well over 6 or 7 years old.

I ordered them, and I am 10000% satisfied. They are fantastic.
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Did you look at the post dates from those threads? They are well over 6 or 7 years old.

I ordered them, and I am 10000% satisfied. They are fantastic.
And I agree there are lots of people in the past few years that say they are great. But there are also people that bought in the past two years that talk about the same issues. Five years ago it was rampant. Now it may just be old stock but since I can't be sure I'm going with the Bilstein B6.

I'm really glad you are getting the performance I was going for. Really
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And I agree there are lots of people in the past few years that say they are great. But there are also people that bought in the past two years that talk about the same issues. Five years ago it was rampant. Now it may just be old stock but since I can't be sure I'm going with the Bilstein B6.

I'm really glad you are getting the performance I was going for. Really
Yep. You're exactly right. Just like Stewart water pumps. Back in the day. High praise. Not that we've finally got some mileage on them, many threads and posts pop up render them crap and not worth it (which I said LONG before but nobody listened) It seems from what I've seen on forums in the past few years is that the quality is not there.

Nothing is perfect. But when it comes to major components? My advice is go with large names if available.

You'll find 8 and 9 figure giants like Toyota and Mercedes Benz trusts companies like Bilstein to supply them with factory components. Also well trusted in racing. Good enough for me.

Suspensions are time consuming to mess with and you want to do it once.
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Man, you had me all excited, until I realized there is no Bilstein option for 325xi. As much as I appreciate the X option in the winter, I hate the limited product availability, as well as extra set of CV axles to worry about (knocking on wood).
All options are available from Bilstein for the E46 325xi from B4 to B8:

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It's also worth noting that Bilstein on the yellow body B6 struts they finally incorporated the spring seat. I think they may have also done so on the B8's as well.
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You are awesome. For some reason filtering by Bilstein brand did not show any results for me, but this is why it's always a good idea to ask a question before ordering parts. I should have learned that lesson when I had ordered the wrong tensioner pulley.
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You are awesome. For some reason filtering by Bilstein brand did not show any results for me, but this is why it's always a good idea to ask a question before ordering parts. I should have learned that lesson when I had ordered the wrong tensioner pulley.
No problem at all. And I checked on the spring seats. The B4 and B6 struts include the spring seat pre-installed. The B8 struts require you to knock off the OE spring seat from the factory strut and install it onto the new strut which doesn't make a ton of sense. At least they made this update on the B6's. Hopefully they will do so for the B8's in the future.
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