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Old 08-18-2012, 04:59 AM   #81
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That should be .."I had a 21 year old E36 M52 2.0L .." Can't type for toffee this morning.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:30 AM   #82
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Mine drinks it. 2003 E46 M54 SE Coupe 2.2L. New CCV 24 months ago. Full dealership service history. No evidence of leakage. No fault codes. No compression issues. You'd think it was a two stroke. One litre evey 600 miles. Its nuts. Now got a 100K on the clock. Had 80K on it when I bought it. The oil consumption was the first thing I noticed about it when the orange light came on after 700 miles. Topped it up and took it back to the dealer who told me it was within spec. I didn't believe them and contacted BMW in Germany who told me the same. I had a 21 year old E35 M53 2.0L for 11 years before this one. Never used a drop of oil. Ever. I would change it once a year with filter and forget about it. But this one. Jeez. There's no point in having an oil change schedule, apart from the filter. By the time I have done 15K I have used 5 sumps full of oil topping up. Bloody ridiculous. Next oil chnage I am goping to go from 5W 30 to 5W 40 which are both in the manual. see if that makes any difference. The 5W 30 is like piss. So for all those who say oil consumption is not an issue I would beg to differ. (I do have a leaky CCV vent hose at the moment but the problem existed before that)
Outside the U.S the dealerships use LL01 XW40 as there is no CAFE affecting viscosity. Less oil burning
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:30 AM   #83
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Outside the U.S the dealerships use LL01 XW40 as there is no CAFE affecting viscosity. Less oil burning
Thanks for the feedback. What does CAFE mean in this context? Googled OIL CAFE and all I get is eateries speacializing in olive oil dishes!!!
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:22 AM   #84
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should have googled CAFE standards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

Use thinner oil to get the fuel consumption up to meet gov standards.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:26 AM   #85
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Mine drinks it. 2003 E46 M54 SE Coupe 2.2L. New CCV 24 months ago. Full dealership service history. No evidence of leakage. No fault codes. No compression issues. You'd think it was a two stroke. One litre evey 600 miles. Its nuts. Now got a 100K on the clock. Had 80K on it when I bought it. The oil consumption was the first thing I noticed about it when the orange light came on after 700 miles. Topped it up and took it back to the dealer who told me it was within spec. I didn't believe them and contacted BMW in Germany who told me the same. I had a 21 year old E35 M53 2.0L for 11 years before this one. Never used a drop of oil. Ever. I would change it once a year with filter and forget about it. But this one. Jeez. There's no point in having an oil change schedule, apart from the filter. By the time I have done 15K I have used 5 sumps full of oil topping up. Bloody ridiculous. Next oil chnage I am goping to go from 5W 30 to 5W 40 which are both in the manual. see if that makes any difference. The 5W 30 is like piss. So for all those who say oil consumption is not an issue I would beg to differ. (I do have a leaky CCV vent hose at the moment but the problem existed before that)
If all else is good, sounds like you have bad oil rings that might not have been broken in properly, or were damaged with a lack of frequent enough oil changes.
Do you get smoke in the exhaust or deposits at the tailpipe?
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:47 AM   #86
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No oil burning on my 323i with 182K. Don't even need to top-off in between oil changes. Now my 2002 jetta thats another story...
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:14 AM   #87
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If all else is good, sounds like you have bad oil rings that might not have been broken in properly, or were damaged with a lack of frequent enough oil changes.
Do you get smoke in the exhaust or deposits at the tailpipe?
Notice I said Full Dealership Service History (documented and book stamped) so one would hope that means not neglected but you never know. Also said no compression issues so rings/valves are not worn. No blue smoke out the back or first thing in the morning (valve guides/seals). No bloody clue where its going. Must be evaporating. Spoke to the place I bought it from. They offered to swap the rings for me but said it wouldn't do any good because they've done it before for other customers just for peace of mind. I believe them, actually, because I have had four beemers off them in 25 years and never had a problem. Besides, if you have been selling second hand beemers that long and you are stiil in business then you are clearly no rogue. I let them change the CCV free of charge but that didn't so anything either, which is what they told me. The car runs fine. No fault codes. Just sick of putting oil in it at 5 a litre.
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Thanks for the feedback. What does CAFE mean in this context? Googled OIL CAFE and all I get is eateries speacializing in olive oil dishes!!!
Corporate Average Fuel Economy
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:25 PM   #91
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And what oil do you use?
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Notice I said Full Dealership Service History (documented and book stamped) so one would hope that means not neglected but you never know. Also said no compression issues so rings/valves are not worn.
Great compression doesn't mean oil rings are fine. You have two compression rings and one oil ring on each piston. If your oil rings are bad, you will test OK with a compression gauge, but still have the potential to burn lots of oil.

I'd like to meet the dealer who would change the rings gratis! Here in the states it's about $2-3000 worth of major major labor. Even the CCV for free is unheard of here except in extreme cases.
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Great compression doesn't mean oil rings are fine. You have two compression rings and one oil ring on each piston. If your oil rings are bad, you will test OK with a compression gauge, but still have the potential to burn lots of oil.

I'd like to meet the dealer who would change the rings gratis! Here in the states it's about $2-3000 worth of major major labor. Even the CCV for free is unheard of here except in extreme cases.
Like I said, I have been buying cars off him for 25 years so he values my custom I guess. He also has his own residential mechanic and workshop so he's paying that guy's wages anyway so its just parts which is a tiny percentage of the job. Anyway, when oil rings fail oil gets into cylinders and burns producing blue smoke out of the back. Wouldn't do the cat much good either. No blue smoke and no problem with emissions as recent mandatory ministry of transport test will testify. Its all very strange.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:48 AM   #96
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01 325i manual i have it in february this year and i change the oil! And 8k miles later switch oil again and were missing like 0.2qt
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02 325i 5spd 125k miles, I burn 1quart per 2000 miles.
I use "Castor 10w-30 Full Synthetic"
If you mean Castrol 10W30 it doesn't come close to meeting spec for viscosity, HTHS, etc.
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... I give up as always people come along with this whole "If it dont have a BMW stamp on it, you'll destroy your car!" attitude. The reality is BMW creates the specifications for warranty purposes. They test with these specified oils and there fore cannot guarantee and will not warranty a car with an oil they do not test. These engines are not special, they don't require some fancy oil formula. During the summer the temp here in Estonia is fairly similar to spring or early fall in the US. And yet if you were the put the oil BMW recommends for my car in my country into your car in the US you would void your warranty... In fact a great many local BMW specialists out here recommend oil that is out of spec during winter because when it gets down to -35 C the recommended oil is too thick. Also LL-01(or LL-04 in europe) as I stated earlier on is really as its name suggests about time in between changes in terms of viscosity a great many oils meet spec, it is in terms of the sulfur, phosphorous and sulfated ash buildup where some other oils do not meet the LL-01 spec. All of those issue could be addressed by more frequent oil changes. There are also a great many oils out there that do in fact meet the LL-01 spec but have never bothered trying to get BMW to let them put it on the bottle.

If you want to see what LL-01 actually means as compared to other oils Look At this

You will find that any number of other specifications fit quite closely with LL-01, meaning you could rather easily safely use them.
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