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Old 08-23-2012, 11:36 PM   #1
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Wheel Gurus HELP PLEASE!!!

Hey guys,

The car these rims will be going on is a 99 E46 323i full OEM exterior (still rocking the dirty 15x7's that came with it). No drop.

I have a dilemma. It's time for rims and I have a sick opportunity. A set of style 123's in 18x8 ET20, basically mint condition for almost free. Tires are 225's.

I have searched for 2 hours now all around the web and have found tons of conflicting answers in regards to the fitment on the E46 sedan.

Will these wheels fit without having to do any fender mods except for maybe a light lip roll? Some say yes it's fits super flush with maybe a small amount of poke, others say the poke is rediculous.

I need to make the decision within the next couple of days, or else they will find another home.

Please help
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:25 PM   #2
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I would not recommend that fitment. That offset is very aggressive, especially for the front. You will most likely have to do fender modification and/or runa stretched tire to get that to fit
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:32 PM   #3
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Ok thanks for the input.

I'll try and bolt one on the front this weekend to have a look at the former, too bad they're great offset and look awesome
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If you have the option of doing a test fit then that's perfect! Good Luck
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:43 PM   #5
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I decided to pick them up regardless cause for the price I paid, it's impossible to lose money.

Going to test fit them tomorrow and see the fitment and post a couple of pics for future reference and put an end to the speculation and to have a concrete answer once and for all!

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I decided to pick them up regardless cause for the price I paid, it's impossible to lose money.

Going to test fit them tomorrow and see the fitment and post a couple of pics for future reference and put an end to the speculation and to have a concrete answer once and for all!
I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate that! Myself included!
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:30 PM   #7
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Per my quick calculations, to be hella flush, I can add 1 1/8" of poke on front (28.6 mm) and 1 5/8" to the rear (41.3 mm).

Once again, per the calculations, the rims will add 39.7mm of poke.

So for the front, I'll have 8.1mm of excessive poke, and the rear 1.6mm of clearance.

Now these are from quick measurements but I can't be far off, maybe +/- 3 mm.

Now 8mm of excessive poke can be easily corrected with a small amount of fender roll and possible a 5mm shave of the rim's hub flange. (lathe off 5mm of material from the wheel hubs mating surface on the rim). I have access to a lathe and this wouldn't be an issue.

THIS IS STILL PENDING THE FIT THIS WEEKEND.

The rim's mating hub is incredibly thick (measured from the base of the 60 degree taper to the mating surface), and removing 5mm would be simple and most of all SAFE.

Milling 5mm from all the hubs would make all wheels rotatable (I'm a huge hater of staggered wheels). The rears would need a 5mm slip spacer to keep the hella flush alive. I'm still not sold on the hella flush idea, but I love the look of these wheels, and most of all, the strength of OEM mags.

This is getting interesting... Stay tuned for pics.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:58 PM   #8
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Alright! Pics are in...

So they fit.

I only tried the front since the rear has more fender room.

A small denser roll would be necessary but they would look sweet. Too bad I don't have a full set...

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Your probably going to have to stretch that tire as well
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #10
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Per my quick calculations, to be hella flush, I can add 1 1/8" of poke on front (28.6 mm) and 1 5/8" to the rear (41.3 mm).

Once again, per the calculations, the rims will add 39.7mm of poke.

So for the front, I'll have 8.1mm of excessive poke, and the rear 1.6mm of clearance.

Now these are from quick measurements but I can't be far off, maybe +/- 3 mm.

Now 8mm of excessive poke can be easily corrected with a small amount of fender roll and possible a 5mm shave of the rim's hub flange. (lathe off 5mm of material from the wheel hubs mating surface on the rim). I have access to a lathe and this wouldn't be an issue.

THIS IS STILL PENDING THE FIT THIS WEEKEND.

The rim's mating hub is incredibly thick (measured from the base of the 60 degree taper to the mating surface), and removing 5mm would be simple and most of all SAFE.

Milling 5mm from all the hubs would make all wheels rotatable (I'm a huge hater of staggered wheels). The rears would need a 5mm slip spacer to keep the hella flush alive. I'm still not sold on the hella flush idea, but I love the look of these wheels, and most of all, the strength of OEM mags.

This is getting interesting... Stay tuned for pics.
"huge hater of staggered wheels"?

and by the way, 8" wide with 20 offset is what im running in the front. unless youre on coilovers and wanna run a stretched tire and go low for some natural camber, you're gonna needa stretch.. if not, you run a regular size tire, probably 225 for an 8, and run some camber. either way, you needa put in some work because 20 offset is relatively somewhat low for our cars.

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Old 08-27-2012, 05:10 PM   #11
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For sure some roll and a minor pull is in order. It's worth it though to not have to use spacers.

8" et20 is a bit aggressive, for the lack of OEM flare.

I think a 1" drop, 3 degrees or so of camber, a fender roll and a tiny pull and an alignment, we're good.

I was thinking 225/40's anyways, tires are cheap and available in tons of brands and models (FK452, FK615,G Force, Ventus, etc...)

I think for style, staggered is great. You get great fitment and great looks. If you get a blow out and only have a spare front, you're screwed for the rear.

For practical use, square sized rims all around is the best way to go, with a full size spare of course. If you get a blowout, don't worry! You have the same size tire and matching rim in the trunk. Might not spin the right direction if they're directional, but not an issue.

That's why I hate staggered. My car has never seen the track, spirited mountain driving yes, not track though.

I have a dedicated track whore for that. If the whore gets a blow out, I have a **** ton of tires in the trailer waiting to be mounted of all sizes. Doing a full lap on a blow out isn't a big deal when you know you have 3 sets of rims mounted.
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For sure some roll and a minor pull is in order. It's worth it though to not have to use spacers.

8" et20 is a bit aggressive, for the lack of OEM flare.

I think a 1" drop, 3 degrees or so of camber, a fender roll and a tiny pull and an alignment, we're good.

I was thinking 225/40's anyways, tires are cheap and available in tons of brands and models (FK452, FK615,G Force, Ventus, etc...)

I think for style, staggered is great. You get great fitment and great looks. If you get a blow out and only have a spare front, you're screwed for the rear.

For practical use, square sized rims all around is the best way to go, with a full size spare of course. If you get a blowout, don't worry! You have the same size tire and matching rim in the trunk. Might not spin the right direction if they're directional, but not an issue.

That's why I hate staggered. My car has never seen the track, spirited mountain driving yes, not track though.

I have a dedicated track whore for that. If the whore gets a blow out, I have a **** ton of tires in the trailer waiting to be mounted of all sizes. Doing a full lap on a blow out isn't a big deal when you know you have 3 sets of rims mounted.

yup. tires in 18" are friendly.. compared to 19" that is lol. im running 18x8/9+20 215/225, and im hellaflush in the rears, and fronts are tucked good. i was rubbing a little with 225's in the front at first, so i went down to 215's.
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:33 PM   #13
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Good call.

225's on 8" are nice and square, but like you said, might rub.

215's are a great option, amll difference between the 2 and would eliminate rub.

I'm no stranger to stretching, at one point, I stretched a 225 on a 18x9.5 +0 for my old skyline. I was in a bad bad jam. It looked retarded. I was so afraid it would unseat, that I ran 45psi. Good old days.

I think I'm going to try and find more et20 123's. They would look sick
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Good call.

225's on 8" are nice and square, but like you said, might rub.

215's are a great option, amll difference between the 2 and would eliminate rub.

I'm no stranger to stretching, at one point, I stretched a 225 on a 18x9.5 +0 for my old skyline. I was in a bad bad jam. It looked retarded. I was so afraid it would unseat, that I ran 45psi. Good old days.

I think I'm going to try and find more et20 123's. They would look sick
good luck man, dont forget to put pictures up when youre done and show us all!
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:10 PM   #15
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Will do! If you come across a thread of someone selling a set of 123's, please share!
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Thank you for starting this thread. I have been wondering about those wheels and style 124's for a long time. Clean oem 18's is what I crave...
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:11 AM   #18
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No worries man!

We share the same craving for wheels!

I love the OEM designs from BMW, and not to mention they're much stronger than your run of the mill replica.

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hahah jk. every man to their own. good luck!
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:19 PM   #20
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The 123's are for sale.
I got news today that I'll be having disk fusion surgery this fall.

I have only 2, only 1 center cap (OEM).

150$ for the pair.

Shipping paid by the buyer from Montreal to wherever you are. I'll price out whatever shipping company you want, I think that shipping them freight will be cheapest.

PayPal fees or interact transfer fees paid by the seller.

I'm selling them for the same price I paid for them.

The rims are in awesome shape, extremely minor surface scratches (only 1 or 2), they're mostly just dirty. One rim has very minor paint chip on the edge, it's not curb rash, more like a scratch from a tire machine.

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