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Old 02-22-2016, 09:00 AM   #1
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An inconvenient truth: black edition

So libs are always lying about the treatment of blacks in the country, how they are unfairly targeted, etc etc....but it seems like they are in the same predicament anywhere there are.....

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/...sresearch/race

Must be all the privileged white people.
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Old 02-22-2016, 09:27 AM   #2
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Must be overseas slavery carryover
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Shocking..a historically Caucasian nation unfairly treats non-Caucasians. Less than 40 years ago British politicians were calling for re-patriation for whites only.

There are socialist govts in Europe providing much higher basic income. Maybe the US should do that to..since it's ok for another country to do it. (At least according to NFR reasoning, or does your rationale only apply to race?)
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lol

Always someone else's fault
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So blacks are in prison all over the place because whitey?
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So blacks are in prison all over the place because whitey?
Cognitive dissonance 101

Couple this with the fact that black immigrants from Africa do far better than their American born counterparts and you have libtard heads exploding.
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So blacks are in prison all over the place because whitey?


It's ironic... because of the black-face and the subject of this discussion. But, since you ask... yes. They pretty much are.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...bmission_0.pdf

Perhaps the confusion stems from the fact that you are citing UK information. In case you haven't noticed, we aren't the UK.
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It's ironic... because of the black-face and the subject of this discussion. But, since you ask... yes. They pretty much are.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...bmission_0.pdf

Perhaps the confusion stems from the fact that you are citing UK information. In case you haven't noticed, we aren't the UK.
Weak argument. You posted sentencing bs....Im not interested in that. Im interested in non criminals. Whites don't make blacks commit the crimes do they? What anti-black law cause blacks to commit crimes? Don't tell me that the problem is I throw away an overcooked steak....the problem is me overcooking the steak in the first place.
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So blacks are in prison all over the place because whitey?
Citing the black imprisonment rate in another historically white-run country is not useful for torpedoing the claim that whitey's racism is the cause. Those that see whites as the problem will just see it as affirmation of their preconceived notions. Those that see blacks as the problem will do the same.

In fact, no single stat is going to lay bare "the truth" about such things because the output is the result of myriad complex and dynamic factors in society at large and the justice system in particular. A deep and broad analysis is needed, and many people may not like what such an analysis showed, since it's unlikely to fit into neat little boxes.
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Weak argument. You posted sentencing bs....Im not interested in that. Im interested in non criminals. Whites don't make blacks commit the crimes do they? What anti-black law cause blacks to commit crimes? Don't tell me that the problem is I throw away an overcooked steak....the problem is me overcooking the steak in the first place.
Weak argument? You cite a UK article about UK citizens. The American penal system is VERY different. And you know it.

And backs are disproportionately arrested and charged for minor offenses where whites are given a warning and sent on their way. Look up some stats before slapping these silly and baseless threads.

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Weak argument? You cite a UK article about UK citizens. The American penal system is VERY different. And you know it.

And backs are disproportionately arrested and charged for minor offenses where whites are given a warning and sent on their way. Look up some stats before slapping these silly and baseless threads.

Google... it's easy.
Arrested for what? Are you now claiming that blacks in the US are now arrested for no reason?
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Citing the black imprisonment rate in another historically white-run country is not useful for torpedoing the claim that whitey's racism is the cause. Those that see whites as the problem will just see it as affirmation of their preconceived notions. Those that see blacks as the problem will do the same.

In fact, no single stat is going to lay bare "the truth" about such things because the output is the result of myriad complex and dynamic factors in society at large and the justice system in particular. A deep and broad analysis is needed, and many people may not like what such an analysis showed, since it's unlikely to fit into neat little boxes.
Seems like the basics are fairly straight forward to me....blacks are the minority of the population, and a majority of the criminal element. All those unfair crack laws, unfair sentencing, etc, is AFTER the fact. Poverty isn't a factor because there are more poor whites than blacks. My argument was BEFORE the blacks are arrested and subjected to the unfair cops, justice system, and sentencing, what white whatever is making blacks commit the crimes in the first place?

Liberals here always complain about how unfairly blacks are treated in our society, how police are gunning them down, sticking the young in prison, etc, and it's so much better everywhere else for the black man....my link shows that no, it isnt....it's the same story.....low population numbers, high criminal numbers. Blacks are treated here exactly the same way as everyone else as far as government is concerned, if not better. No one is making them commit crimes.
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Weak argument? You cite a UK article about UK citizens. The American penal system is VERY different. And you know it.

And backs are disproportionately arrested and charged for minor offenses where whites are given a warning and sent on their way. Look up some stats before slapping these silly and baseless threads.

Google... it's easy.
I'm just glad my back behaves itself. One less thing to worry about.
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Arrested for what? Are you now claiming that blacks in the US are now arrested for no reason?
I wouldn't go so far as to say "for no reason". But it's been documented time and again that, once an individual is involved in a situation where police and the legal system are involved, the exercise of the law disproportionately penalizes blacks.

And let's not forget that jails are big business in America. Gotta keep those cells filled to capacity to maximize profits!

http://www.law.seattleu.edu/Document...blic_cover.pdf
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "for no reason". But it's been documented time and again that, once an individual is involved in a situation where police and the legal system are involved, the exercise of the law disproportionately penalizes blacks.

And let's not forget that jails are big business in America. Gotta keep those cells filled to capacity to maximize profits!

http://www.law.seattleu.edu/Document...blic_cover.pdf
You are operating under the false assumption that blacks, whites, Hispanics and Asians all commit crime at the same rate. They don't.
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You are operating under the false assumption that blacks, whites, Hispanics and Asians all commit crime at the same rate. They don't.
False assumption? Any stat you could reference (please, cite something to support this assumption of yours) would only provide evidence to the facts I presented.


Here is some more evidence for you to ignore for whatever reason you feel is justifiable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...f-the-whitest/
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No one commented on the 6% Asian prison population? I found that a bit surprising. The Tong must have a stronghold in the UK.

In the USA, we throw too many people into prison for minor infractions. Drug possession and use, for example, should not be an imprison-able offense. That should be a citation and fine, just like traffic offenses. Drug trafficking, on the other hand, may be imprison-able, but I'm not convinced. The whole drug abuse issue, while a blight on our society, will not be resolved by throwing people in prison.

I don't know what the answer is to the disparate number of black people who are economically disadvantaged and/or end up in jail, but I wish someone would discover it.
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Seems like the basics are fairly straight forward to me....blacks are the minority of the population, and a majority of the criminal element. All those unfair crack laws, unfair sentencing, etc, is AFTER the fact. Poverty isn't a factor because there are more poor whites than blacks. My argument was BEFORE the blacks are arrested and subjected to the unfair cops, justice system, and sentencing, what white whatever is making blacks commit the crimes in the first place?

Liberals here always complain about how unfairly blacks are treated in our society, how police are gunning them down, sticking the young in prison, etc, and it's so much better everywhere else for the black man....my link shows that no, it isnt....it's the same story.....low population numbers, high criminal numbers. Blacks are treated here exactly the same way as everyone else as far as government is concerned, if not better. No one is making them commit crimes.
You cannot support your claim in bold with any kind of objective data.

All you can do is show that they're ARRESTED at a higher rate, but of course by that point, the alleged racism of LEOs/DAs and the rest of the justice system is already in play.
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False assumption? Any stat you could reference (please, cite something to support this assumption of yours) would only provide evidence to the facts I presented.


Here is some more evidence for you to ignore for whatever reason you feel is justifiable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...f-the-whitest/
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You cannot support your claim in bold with any kind of objective data.

All you can do is show that they're ARRESTED at a higher rate, but of course by that point, the alleged racism of LEOs/DAs and the rest of the justice system is already in play.
Excuse me? Whats the breakdown of prison inmates? Whats the breakdown of murderers? Blacks that don't commit crimes are not arrested, and neither are whites or anyone else. All that alleged racism BS is always AFTER the fact. Liberals cry that police arrest blacks MORE OFTEN because police watch and are concentrated in sh!tty black areas, where most crime in all major cities happen. No sh!t the cops in some ritzy white area aren't going to find much crime and arrest a bunch of people....they are stuck in the sh!tholes where all the crime is occurring, which usually, happens to be black. Is it racism that the biggest sh!tholes in most states are black dominated cities?

Again, I get that some claim sentencing is unfair. Arrests are unfair. Drug laws are unfair, etc....but NONE of that actually matters until the person commits a crime.
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