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Old 12-18-2014, 12:42 PM   #1
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Normalizing Cuban Relations, Thoughts?

About time. I mean, its not like the current embargo policy has actually worked for the past 55 years.

I highly suspect that killing Castro's regime will be best done by killing it with kindness. The embargo has allowed Castro to foist off any responsibility for the horrendous management of Cuba's society and economy onto the Enemy of the North. Now, without us being his foil, the Cuban government will be laid bare to taking full accountability for their own performance rather than blaming us.

I see very significant changes occurring within 5 years and certainly far faster and far reaching than the policies of the past 55 years have produced.
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Don't we have a thread about this already? Yes we do!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1061431

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Rhumb you should change your username to Detective Greenley.

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thankfully, the incoming Republican Congress will be able to save us from the evils of Communism.
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Don't we have a thread about this already? Yes we do!

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Thanks, thought there was but didn't find it, my bad. Perhaps moderator could merge them?
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About time. I mean, its not like the current embargo policy has actually worked for the past 55 years.

I highly suspect that killing Castro's regime will be best done by killing it with kindness. The embargo has allowed Castro to foist off any responsibility for the horrendous management of Cuba's society and economy onto the Enemy of the North. Now, without us being his foil, the Cuban government will be laid bare to taking full accountability for their own performance rather than blaming us.

I see very significant changes occurring within 5 years and certainly far faster and far reaching than the policies of the past 55 years have produced.
I don't really see normalizing relations over this incident "normal." The guy was imprisoned for no real reason...why would we normalize relations? What benefit does the US get from "normalizing" relations?
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I don't really see normalizing relations over this incident "normal." The guy was imprisoned for no real reason...why would we normalize relations? What benefit does the US get from "normalizing" relations?

Lol at no real reason
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If Congress drops the embargo classic car collectors will have an orgasm.

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I can't imagine a GOP controlled congress trying to make any sort of progress.
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I can't imagine a GOP controlled congress trying to make any sort of progress.
They're basically trying to regress back to the '50s. I'm just trying to figure out if that's the 1950s, 1850s or 1650s.
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Imprisoned for bringing in a phone.....The Kims of DPRK also love to imprison people for espionage...doesn't make it true.
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Yeah, and disengaging from NK for the past half century has certainly brought them to heel and brought them to democracy, just as it has for Cuba. Maybe we just need to give the same policy another half century to kill those last few inklings of brutal totalitarianism in Cuba/NK.

In my opinion, by far the most toxic thing to these regimes is walling them off from democracy but smothering them in its embrace. Its far more in their interest to isolate from them than for us to isolate from them.
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Yeah, and disengaging from NK for the past half century has certainly brought them to heel and brought them to democracy, just as it has for Cuba. Maybe we just need to give the same policy another half century to kill those last few inklings of brutal totalitarianism in Cuba/NK.

In my opinion, by far the most toxic thing to these regimes is walling them off from democracy but smothering them in its embrace. Its far more in their interest to isolate from them than for us to isolate from them.
Who the hell cares about their "Democracy?" Why do Americans insist on spready a moronic system that doesn't even work here? We never cut ties with Liberia, place is a paradise right? You can't help them, so stop trying. Toppling saddam did wonders for the Iraqis huh? If American's started pouring tourism dollars into Cuba, all the money would go directly to Castro and the government....just like it does in any corrupt nation. There is a reason why Putin has billions, and most Russians are poor.
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Who the hell cares about their "Democracy?" Why do Americans insist on spready a moronic system that doesn't even work here? We never cut ties with Liberia, place is a paradise right? You can't help them, so stop trying. Toppling saddam did wonders for the Iraqis huh? If American's started pouring tourism dollars into Cuba, all the money would go directly to Castro and the government....just like it does in any corrupt nation. There is a reason why Putin has billions, and most Russians are poor.

I agree with the bit on exporting American "democracy" overseas. It just hasn't worked. You can't export American values and culture and expect sudden change and people will willingly accept and understand it.

As I like to say, our govt should be happy with "democracy, good enough" where it isn't a spitting image of our country.

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I agree with the bit on exporting American "democracy" overseas. It just hasn't worked. You can't export American values and culture and expect sudden change and people will willingly accept and understand it.

As I like to say, our govt should be happy with "democracy, good enough" where it isn't a spitting image of our country.

Truth. Although we could always medicate them with a healthy dose of murican exceptionalism via a bombing campaign. Nothing screams freedom quite like a cluster bomb! I can hear the McCains of the world frothing at the mouth from way over here.
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Who the hell cares about their "Democracy?" Why do Americans insist on spready a moronic system that doesn't even work here? We never cut ties with Liberia, place is a paradise right? You can't help them, so stop trying. Toppling saddam did wonders for the Iraqis huh? If American's started pouring tourism dollars into Cuba, all the money would go directly to Castro and the government....just like it does in any corrupt nation. There is a reason why Putin has billions, and most Russians are poor.


Let others do and be as they wish. We've got our own Democracy to figure out.
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