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Old 11-30-2016, 02:35 PM   #1
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There Is No Such Thing as Race

Then how come Trump is called a Racist?

LOL

The irony.

In 1950, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) issued a statement asserting that all humans belong to the same species and that “race” is not a biological reality but a myth. This was a summary of the findings of an international panel of anthropologists, geneticists, sociologists, and psychologists.

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Old 11-30-2016, 02:57 PM   #2
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They were referring to "race" in a scientific/biological sense rather than the social/political sense. So yes, in that respect, Trump can very much be a racist, no irony required.
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Old 11-30-2016, 04:13 PM   #3
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Lot of words, but lack meaning. All it says is "race is not real" and failing to say why or supporting it with facts besides "people agree". By the way I stopped reading after the fifth time I read what I mentioned above.
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Old 11-30-2016, 04:22 PM   #4
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Old 11-30-2016, 04:31 PM   #5
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They were referring to "race" in a scientific/biological sense rather than the social/political sense. So yes, in that respect, Trump can very much be a racist, no irony required.
Different strokes for different playgrounds?

There is no cake, but how dare anybody touch my slice??

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Old 11-30-2016, 05:02 PM   #6
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There are (at least some) genetic differences between races, no?

Example: blacks more prone to sickle cell anemia, right?

If so, then there are some scientific biological differences between "races", amirite?

Sure, we are all **** sapiens, and maybe the genetic differences and their phenotypes are not that significant between "races", but to ignore race completely and call it a "myth" seems to me like wishing away reality.

My two cents.
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Old 11-30-2016, 05:54 PM   #7
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There are (at least some) genetic differences between races, no?

Example: blacks more prone to sickle cell anemia, right?

If so, then there are some scientific biological differences between "races", amirite?

Sure, we are all **** sapiens, and maybe the genetic differences and their phenotypes are not that significant between "races", but to ignore race completely and call it a "myth" seems to me like wishing away reality.

My two cents.
DNA for Whites, Asians, and Blacks are different. Mexicans, Eskimo's, Native American and Asian are the same, Asians have the biggest brain and Blacks has the smallest brain. Things don't just happen for no reason, I don't know all the scientific terminology, google it.
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Why do we call people of darker skin black and yet we stopped calling Asians yellow, and Natives red?
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Why do we call people of darker skin black and yet we stopped calling Asians yellow, and Natives red?
I call black people by their name, but that's just me.
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There are (at least some) genetic differences between races, no?

Example: blacks more prone to sickle cell anemia, right?

If so, then there are some scientific biological differences between "races", amirite?

Sure, we are all **** sapiens, and maybe the genetic differences and their phenotypes are not that significant between "races", but to ignore race completely and call it a "myth" seems to me like wishing away reality.

My two cents.
From a genetic standpoint, the most remarkable aspect regarding humans is not the diversity of our genetics but rather, it's astounding similarity. Again, the concept of race is basically social/political rather than biological.
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I call black people by their name, but that's just me.

You just called them black hence my point.
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From a genetic standpoint, the most remarkable aspect regarding humans is not the diversity of our genetics but rather, it's astounding similarity. Again, the concept of race is basically social/political rather than biological.
Olympic sprint finals says otherwise
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Olympic sprint finals says otherwise
Olympic sprinters/runners, NBA players, Nobel prize winners, architects, artists, etc, all say otherwise. Many aspects have been proven to have superior genetics in CERTAIN aspects, be it blacks, italians, jews, whatever.
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From a genetic standpoint, the most remarkable aspect regarding humans is not the diversity of our genetics but rather, it's astounding similarity. Again, the concept of race is basically social/political rather than biological.
It is the vast genetic similarity among all people that makes the small specific differences so interesting and important. The phenotypes expressed by these differences can result in obvious physical traits that are easy to observe as well as hidden differences (such as susceptibility to certain diseases or health conditions).

The point of this discussion is that the distribution of these genetic differences among people is not random, they are grouped by ancestry and, yes, by race.

Perhaps a scientific definition of race would involve the likelihood of a person to have all or most of a specific group of genetic differences (or biomarkers; or SNPs if you want to get technical).

But that's just another two cents from me. I'm just making this up because I have no desire to go down a google rabbit hole on race and genetics tonight.

So I disagree that race is "basically" a social/political concept (rather than being biologically based). But go ahead and make your case. Why do you discount the biology and think its "basically" social/political?

My theory is this:

- you want it to be social/political so that we can change it and erase the concept of race

- if it is a biological construct, it cannot be so easily dismissed or ignored

(Race is real. Your liberal viewpoint does not make it less so.)

Discuss.
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Old 11-30-2016, 08:23 PM   #15
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Why do we call people of darker skin black and yet we stopped calling Asians yellow, and Natives red?
My theory:

Because darker skinned people (esp. In the USA) took cultural ownership of the term "Black" (in the 1960's) and applied it proudly to themselves which made it mainstream and acceptable. In contrast, Asians have never called themselves yellow (to my knowledge) and view the term as a slur. Same with Native Americans and the term red.

Therefore, red and yellow remain unacceptable racist slurs, while black is generally acceptable (even though Jesse Jackson and others pushed the MSM and the PC culture to start calling them African Americans - even when they are from Jamaica, Grenada, or other non-African places).
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Old 12-02-2016, 08:15 AM   #17
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From a genetic standpoint, the most remarkable aspect regarding humans is not the diversity of our genetics but rather, it's astounding similarity. Again, the concept of race is basically social/political rather than biological.
It's not that remarkable. We are the same species after all, and the various races or whatever you want to call them split off pretty recently. Much (98%) of our genome is non coding and much of the coding DNA is for important biochemical processes. So it only takes fairly minor genomic differences to create rather large phenotypic differences, and some of those changes are more than skin deep. Just because it represents an incredibly small percentage of our DNA doesn't make the differences less real.

Think of different breeds of dogs - they're all the same species and share about the same DNA as the various human races do, but obviously all those different breeds have vastly different traits.

Many people use the differences to claim superiority over other groups which is unfortunate. But denying that there are any biological and genetic differences that are associated with race is just wrong.
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Very little difference in genes but a big difference in culture.
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It's not that remarkable. We are the same species after all, and the various races or whatever you want to call them split off pretty recently. Much (98%) of our genome is non coding and much of the coding DNA is for important biochemical processes. So it only takes fairly minor genomic differences to create rather large phenotypic differences, and some of those changes are more than skin deep. Just because it represents an incredibly small percentage of our DNA doesn't make the differences less real.

Think of different breeds of dogs - they're all the same species and share about the same DNA as the various human races do, but obviously all those different breeds have vastly different traits.

Many people use the differences to claim superiority over other groups which is unfortunate. But denying that there are any biological and genetic differences that are associated with race is just wrong.
Well, I hate to tell you, but 99% is big enough for,


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