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Old 11-08-2012, 02:59 PM   #261
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Not sure if it's mentioned before, but is a hex-bar recommended for deadlifts?

Best way to DL IMO. That's really the only bar I use. So much easier to work on form with that. Put up more weight too.

you can also do 1 leg DL stuff with those
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:03 PM   #262
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No problem, I just was deadlifting in my office trying to visualize your problem.
Exactly the case here lol! Luckily nobody was walking past by my office at the time

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When I deadlift, I visualize standing up with the bar from a very low squatted position, in comparison to lifting the bar up from the ground. Sort of like its an extension of your body that you need to bring with you haha
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Engage your glutes/hamstrings HARD during the first portion of the movement while keeping your lats tight and engaging your lower back....

...and squeeze the sh|t out of the bar.
Will do. I hope I'll be able to lift 300lbs one day. I do have hamstrings/quads of a soccer player, so I guess it's a matter of training them...
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:58 PM   #263
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so you just rest the barbell right in there? Seems easy enough. I might get one.
I use to do t bar rows like that but feel the bar slips around too much for my liking.

Most t bar machines I don't like simply because the 45s hit you in the chest so you can't get full range of motion. The "elevated" t bars help with this.

At my gym I use something like this which I'm a big fan of. Usually do them before deadlifts which might be a mistake

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Old 11-09-2012, 03:04 PM   #264
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I use to do t bar rows like that but feel the bar slips around too much for my liking.

Most t bar machines I don't like simply because the 45s hit you in the chest so you can't get full range of motion. The "elevated" t bars help with this.

At my gym I use something like this which I'm a big fan of. Usually do them before deadlifts which might be a mistake

def a mistake. Always do the most taxing workouts first.
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Not unless you're purposely using some form of pre-exhaustion shocking principle
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:31 PM   #266
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Not unless you're purposely using some form of pre-exhaustion shocking principle
Isn't "shocking" the muscle just a myth?

I can understand the benefit though. Doing a deadlift after being a little tired would require you to go about the lift a little differently.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #267
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I agree in general, but sometimes the weight just feels better for me after I have a good sweat going. Takes me a long time to get warmed up though.

I did DLs first a week or two ago and thought I'd be able to put more weight on, but lifted the same weight.

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Old 11-09-2012, 03:38 PM   #268
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I agree in general, but sometimes the weight just feels better for me after I have a good sweat going. Takes me a long time to get warmed up though.

I did DLs first a week or two ago and thought I'd be able to put more weight on, but lifted the same weight.

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Old 11-09-2012, 03:52 PM   #269
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My body is so wrecked today (..from the dead lifts yesterday morning). Going for 380-390 lbs. for 3-4 reps my next DL session. That ominous 405 lb benchmark looms in the background.
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Isn't "shocking" the muscle just a myth?
In what aspect? Different shocking techniques are very useful when implemented correctly... Pre-exhaustion is just one method. Are you saying drop-sets, supersets, rest-pause, negatives, etc... are myths as well?

I'm not saying one should do rows before deads, but pre-exhaustion training does have it's place.
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I'll throw a bit of a curve... I feel "complex" (usually the most demanding) exercises should be completed first as you have a fresh mind and body, and are less likely to suffer an injury due to fatigue. my 2c
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I'll throw a bit of a curve... I feel "complex" (usually the most demanding) exercises should be completed first as you have a fresh mind and body, and are less likely to suffer an injury due to fatigue. my 2c
For the most part yes, you generally want to use your ATP for the most body intensive/important exercises. However that said, what rich said about pre exhaustion exercises is true. They have their place and do work well. Try adding a set of drop set deadlifts at the end of your back workout, and you tell me they don't work!
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In what aspect? Different shocking techniques are very useful when implemented correctly... Pre-exhaustion is just one method. Are you saying drop-sets, supersets, rest-pause, negatives, etc... are myths as well?

I'm not saying one should do rows before deads, but pre-exhaustion training does have it's place.
I'm talking more in the sense of switching things up every few weeks to trick the muscle. I agree with what you said though.
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I'll throw a bit of a curve... I feel "complex" (usually the most demanding) exercises should be completed first as you have a fresh mind and body, and are less likely to suffer an injury due to fatigue. my 2c

My primary leg exercise is one of 4 things- squats, hip sled leg press, plate loaded squat press or deadlift. I only do one major/primary exercise in a leg day, and then follow the rest with anything from leg extensions to lunges. I am like you, where I do the major exercise first. I need the energy and the power up front. After that, I can reduce weight on everything else and work more with form as I lose energy.
I can see how some people might want to do some other stuff first, but for me the only thing I do before the major exercise is a light 5-10min cardio session on the elliptical to just get warmed up. If I did leg extensions and leg curls, there's no way I'd be able to safely put up the numbers that I do.
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My primary leg exercise is one of 4 things- squats, hip sled leg press, plate loaded squat press or deadlift. I only do one major/primary exercise in a leg day, and then follow the rest with anything from leg extensions to lunges. I am like you, where I do the major exercise first. I need the energy and the power up front. After that, I can reduce weight on everything else and work more with form as I lose energy.
I can see how some people might want to do some other stuff first, but for me the only thing I do before the major exercise is a light 5-10min cardio session on the elliptical to just get warmed up. If I did leg extensions and leg curls, there's no way I'd be able to safely put up the numbers that I do.
I'm the same way. Big stuff first!
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I'm talking more in the sense of switching things up every few weeks to trick the muscle. I agree with what you said though.
I'm a little confused... Since when is switching things up a myth? Varying exercises, or even simply modifying current ones whether it be by way of tempo, reps, weight, etc., can be beneficial when someone is trying to break through a plateau.
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helps from the workouts getting "boring" too
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I wish. It was like that for a couple months, but has grounded to a halt. Probably going to try a deload or something
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I actually do leg presses before I squat. It might be no wonder that I've stalled on squats, but it takes me forever to warm up if I start with squats....creaky knees and all.

In my case, I don't think it makes much of a difference. Started with squats a few weeks ago to try and get past a plateau, but to no avail. Lately I cut my "heavier" sets from leg presses, but still end up with the same number of reps and weight on squats.
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I actually do leg presses before I squat. It might be no wonder that I've stalled on squats, but it takes me forever to warm up if I start with squats....creaky knees and all.

In my case, I don't think it makes much of a difference. Started with squats a few weeks ago to try and get past a plateau, but to no avail. Lately I cut my "heavier" sets from leg presses, but still end up with the same number of reps and weight on squats.
Here's a suggestion for the knees...

....try doing 4 or 5 sets of body squats for 15-ish reps and foam roll between sets. Then do 3 warm up sets under load. That helps get me all lubed up for a squat session.

I'd also stop leg pressing before the squat session if your intention is to progress weekly. That's my opinion anyway. Leg pressing first would definitely sap my squat strength unless it was a really light load (..which would be pointless for me).
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