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Old 12-03-2012, 01:03 PM   #61
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The 500whp+ pulls we're done only on race gas I believe. A stock compression S54 isn't going to go much out of the low 4's without race gas or E85
Stage II AA kit makes around 540rwhp with the new manifold and that's on pump gas.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:06 PM   #62
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Basically anything over 500whp. would put a huge smile on my face, 501rwhp. would be just fine with me, but 550 is even better. I live in central ohio so I'd just be using 93 octane pump gas, I Do have Cam2 110 octane about 3 miles from my house easily available but I'm not willing to turn my modest M3 into that much of a "race car' so to speak. Take's the daily driver convenience away.

93 octane, stock S54 @10lbs. boost without any meth/water injection: wonder what the outcome of that would be on your kit?
The kit was designed to run 8psi on 93 octane unleaded fuel. With that setup, it has put out over 460rwhp through a catless exhaust and stock muffler (no cutout). Just to see the possibilities, we threw some 103 octane unleaded fuel in and increased the boost to 10.5psi. This resulted in the last dynos shown in this thread (~524rwhp).

You'll have to decide if having 460rwhp on a daily basis, with occasional increases to over 500rwhp when you fill up with high octane fuel, is worth it to you.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:12 PM   #63
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Basically anything over 500whp. would put a huge smile on my face, 501rwhp. would be just fine with me, but 550 is even better. I live in central ohio so I'd just be using 93 octane pump gas, I Do have Cam2 110 octane about 3 miles from my house easily available but I'm not willing to turn my modest M3 into that much of a "race car' so to speak. Take's the daily driver convenience away.

93 octane, stock S54 @10lbs. boost without any meth/water injection: wonder what the outcome of that would be on your kit?
First off, why are you saying 10psi without referencing a turbo? Boost means nothing on its own. 10psi on a T25 vs 10psi on a 67 vs 10psi on a GT55 all drastically different. Boost pressure means nothing without speaking of a specific turbo or CFM. 93 octane is going to net you at best 450whp on a stock S54
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:14 PM   #64
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Stage II AA kit makes around 540rwhp with the new manifold and that's on pump gas.
Different powerband, blower vs turbo, and AA uses meth. Not at all an equal comparison.
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Stage II AA kit makes around 540rwhp with the new manifold and that's on pump gas.
According to AA's website, their Stage2 kit is "designed and engineered to operate in conjunction with the Active Autowerke Water/Methanol system as an integral part of the kit." This is in addition to the 11-12psi that the kit runs to make that advertised power. The previous question indicated a goal of 10psi and no water/meth injection.
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According to AA's website, their Stage2 kit is "designed and engineered to operate in conjunction with the Active Autowerke Water/Methanol system as an integral part of the kit." This is in addition to the 11-12psi that the kit runs to make that advertised power. The previous question indicated a goal of 10psi and no water/meth injection.
I was under the impression that AA uses meth as a cooling agent and not as a octane booster.

I remember speaking with Jean long time ago and he said it's not required to have Meth switched "on" all the time but only when the temperatures are warmer.
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The kit was designed to run 8psi on 93 octane unleaded fuel. With that setup, it has put out over 460rwhp through a catless exhaust and stock muffler (no cutout). Just to see the possibilities, we threw some 103 octane unleaded fuel in and increased the boost to 10.5psi. This resulted in the last dynos shown in this thread (~524rwhp).

You'll have to decide if having 460rwhp on a daily basis, with occasional increases to over 500rwhp when you fill up with high octane fuel, is worth it to you.
Sorry everybody, I didn't mean to start an argument and wasn't trying to be so confusing for everyone.

My only question was with you advertised turbo kit that you are currently finishing up, you designed the kit to operate at 8lbs. boost through a catless exhaust with whatever turbo comes as part of your advertised production kit. This gave you a result of 460whp. which is very good for only 8lbs. boost.
I just wanted to know how many more lbs. of boost would need to be added to achieve 500+whp. If your already making 460whp. at 8lbs. without meth injection I would assume just 1 or 2 more lbs. of boost would net you 500whp. ON PUMP GAS still.

What would happen if you did the exact same dyno that you did on 103 octane race gas @ 10.5lbs boost BUT left the 93 octane pump gas in the tank an dyno'd it again at 10.5lbs. boost. Would it make 500whp.? Would it knock/detonate or would the stock s54 make 500whp. on your turbo kit @ 10.5lbs. on 93 pump gas and be just fine????
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Stage II AA kit makes around 540rwhp with the new manifold and that's on pump gas.
If AA. made 540whp. using meth. Maybe I could contact them and up grade a few of my parts on my existing AA. supercharger kit and be able to make 500whp. without the addition of there water/meth system. That would save time and money. If this where possible without the meth. 11-12 psi. would be scary without the safety of meth though
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Stage II AA kit makes around 540rwhp with the new manifold and that's on pump gas.
AA Stage 2 is advertised 520 whp w/ meth. w/ STD Correction. Tune is meth dependent to make the extra power.

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Upgraded Motorsport 55 degree thermostat
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AA also notes the following for their stage 2:

Stage 2 tune is dependent on their provided meth system, failure to install their meth system on stage 2 Or turning off the meth system will VOID WARRANTY.
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Basically anything over 500whp. would put a huge smile on my face, 501rwhp. would be just fine with me, but 550 is even better. I live in central ohio so I'd just be using 93 octane pump gas, I Do have Cam2 110 octane about 3 miles from my house easily available but I'm not willing to turn my modest M3 into that much of a "race car' so to speak. Take's the daily driver convenience away.

93 octane, stock S54 @10lbs. boost without any meth/water injection: wonder what the outcome of that would be on your kit?
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Sorry everybody, I didn't mean to start an argument and wasn't trying to be so confusing for everyone.

My only question was with you advertised turbo kit that you are currently finishing up, you designed the kit to operate at 8lbs. boost through a catless exhaust with whatever turbo comes as part of your advertised production kit. This gave you a result of 460whp. which is very good for only 8lbs. boost.
I just wanted to know how many more lbs. of boost would need to be added to achieve 500+whp. If your already making 460whp. at 8lbs. without meth injection I would assume just 1 or 2 more lbs. of boost would net you 500whp. ON PUMP GAS still.

What would happen if you did the exact same dyno that you did on 103 octane race gas @ 10.5lbs boost BUT left the 93 octane pump gas in the tank an dyno'd it again at 10.5lbs. boost. Would it make 500whp.? Would it knock/detonate or would the stock s54 make 500whp. on your turbo kit @ 10.5lbs. on 93 pump gas and be just fine????
Eric,

Nick has specified that 8 psi is the max boost pressure that our kit will run on 93 octane. Running 10.5 psi on pump gas would put you out of the safety zone. You could potentially do some damage to the motor.

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AA Stage 2 is advertised 520 whp w/ meth. w/ STD Correction. Tune is meth dependent to make the extra power.

AA also recommends:

Upgraded Motorsport 55 degree thermostat
Upgraded radiator
Headers
Clutch fan

AA also notes the following for their stage 2:

Stage 2 tune is dependent on their provided meth system, failure to install their meth system on stage 2 Or turning off the meth system will VOID WARRANTY.
That's with the Gen6 manifold - with the Gen7 manifold its supposed to pick up an extra 20rwhp so that puts it at 540rwhp.
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That's with the Gen6 manifold - with the Gen7 manifold its supposed to pick up an extra 20rwhp so that puts it at 540rwhp.
+20whp w/ new I/M is sweet indeed! What does 540whp STD correction factor convert in SAE correction factor anyone know?

MaxPSI posted all their dyno's using SAE correction factor either using staight pump gas or race gas no meth added.

I wonder what the kit can do with meth added to the existing tune? Exactly like Tonester did on his ESS VT2-550 kit. I think he gained around 25whp just adding meth to the existing ESS tune for the 550 kit. Ie. Tune isn't dependent in the Meth.
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Basically anything over 500whp. would put a huge smile on my face, 501rwhp. would be just fine with me, but 550 is even better. I live in central ohio so I'd just be using 93 octane pump gas, I Do have Cam2 110 octane about 3 miles from my house easily available but I'm not willing to turn my modest M3 into that much of a "race car' so to speak. Take's the daily driver convenience away.

93 octane, stock S54 @10lbs. boost without any meth/water injection: wonder what the outcome of that would be on your kit?
LOL...that is exactly what I am looking for...a Turbo kit that will put out 550 hp on pump gas. Oh and it would be nice if I could do it without going totally broke.
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Oh and it would be nice if I could do it without going totally broke.
Exactly. It's about time.
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550rwhp on pump with stock internals will never happen without meth or e85 "pump"

Also, once you get 550, you will want 650, and so on and so on, I promise!
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not sure if this was asked/answered before but since Mike is experimenting with different fuel options, will NickG consider adding an E85 fuel option. E85 is becoming very well readily available nationwide and im sure some of us can appreciate the power gains from running this fuel.
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not sure if this was asked/answered before but since Mike is experimenting with different fuel options, will NickG consider adding an E85 fuel option. E85 is becoming very well readily available nationwide and im sure some of us can appreciate the power gains from running this fuel.
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