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Old 09-26-2012, 03:16 PM   #21
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"Pretend" if you want to get it in. Be yourself if you want something meaningful. If it's not a person who can appreciate you for you, then it's not someone you'll want to be with for an extended period of time (i.e., relationship).

Don't over think it. People who tell you to act oblivious and ignore her are the same people who are stage five clingers themselves. They have to force themselves to do that otherwise they come across as needy and insecure.

The best thing you can do is take her out on a date or something that makes it your intentions known.
Casino this isn't very true. I had a pretty successful relationship using those methods. And use it for every girl I've ever gotten with in the past 9 years or so. Any "expert" will tell you that this will work way more than being the type that is overly available. Girls are attracted to confidence and a guy that is always there is far from confident. Sometimes things just workout like they did for you but look around. Who gets more attention from girls? the guy that goes after all of them or the guy that plays it cool?

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"Pretend" if you want to get it in. Be yourself if you want something meaningful. If it's not a person who can appreciate you for you, then it's not someone you'll want to be with for an extended period of time (i.e., relationship).

Don't over think it. People who tell you to act oblivious and ignore her are the same people who are stage five clingers themselves. They have to force themselves to do that otherwise they come across as needy and insecure.

The best thing you can do is take her out on a date or something that makes it your intentions known.
Casino, with all due respect, I'm going to disagree vehemently.. especially when offering advice to a college kid.

OP, Casino is trying to give you helpful information and is in fact spot on in that you need a girl to like you for you if you want something meaningful. BUT you can only form something meaningful once you've peaked a girls interest. My friend used to tell me that he didn't want to date lots of meaningless girls but rather to find "the one"... the problem with that view is that you're never going to find "the one" if you're not putting yourself out there. You miss 100% of the shots that you fail to take and you will botch 100% of the relationships in which you fail to peak the girls interest..

And you will NEVER peak her interests "being yourself and expressing a lot of interest". Unless you are already someone she desires, she will not want you if you jump in.. As solly commented, you need to be a prize.. something unobtainable by other girls. Have you ever noticed the guy at your school pounding girl after girl gets even more attention from other girls? It's not simply their appearance or swagger.. it's the fact that other girls haven't been able to keep him so he has to be some kind of desirable prize that girls will now work for.. they'll be buying you coffee, beers, whatever because they want to tie down the unobtainable prize.

So you like this girl.. so she likes you... so you want to tell her you like her and promise your undying love.. well, if you do that she'll run for the hills. But what to do to get her attention? For starters, she is not yours, you are not hers and you NEED to demonstarte to her that you have tons of other options. So when you're tackled by other chicks who miss you, you look like you've got tons of options.

My suggestion is to make it obvious to her that you like her, but that you don't need her. Be unavailable at times. If she invites you to do something, tell her you have other plans but that you'd like to hang out (suggest another day and a fun thing to do). This documents that you have options, that she isn't your everything, and that, if she's lucky, she can spend time with you.

Once she is hooked, and you plant your seed of awesome, THAN you can SLOWLY start showing more and more of your true colors (over say dates 5-10).. should you then determine that you have a ton in common, great.. should you determine it's not going anywhere, you still had a hot hook up session and, because of it, other chicks will want to test your waters.

There is a reason "good guys finish last".. and it's because they fail to learn (despite fail after failure with women) that they need to incorporate game..
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Class went really well. Dude the way our plans work out for the weekend I don't have to do anything but sit back and go on with my life. She's gonna end up hitting me up to come party at my place on Saturday and then go to the show. And she's gonna want to do the prelab together again because we both got A's last time. Working with the other girl in my lab group simply seemed to make her want to work with me more. I don't have anything to worry about, she likes me for exactly the goofy son of a bitch I am. She did from the beginning, I just refused to believe it, most likely due to confidence in myself.
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Casino, with all due respect, I'm going to disagree vehemently.. especially when offering advice to a college kid.

OP, Casino is trying to give you helpful information and is in fact spot on in that you need a girl to like you for you if you want something meaningful. BUT you can only form something meaningful once you've peaked a girls interest. My friend used to tell me that he didn't want to date lots of meaningless girls but rather to find "the one"... the problem with that view is that you're never going to find "the one" if you're not putting yourself out there. You miss 100% of the shots that you fail to take and you will botch 100% of the relationships in which you fail to peak the girls interest..

And you will NEVER peak her interests "being yourself and expressing a lot of interest". Unless you are already someone she desires, she will not want you if you jump in.. As solly commented, you need to be a prize.. something unobtainable by other girls. Have you ever noticed the guy at your school pounding girl after girl gets even more attention from other girls? It's not simply their appearance or swagger.. it's the fact that other girls haven't been able to keep him so he has to be some kind of desirable prize that girls will now work for.. they'll be buying you coffee, beers, whatever because they want to tie down the unobtainable prize.

So you like this girl.. so she likes you... so you want to tell her you like her and promise your undying love.. well, if you do that she'll run for the hills. But what to do to get her attention? For starters, she is not yours, you are not hers and you NEED to demonstarte to her that you have tons of other options. So when you're tackled by other chicks who miss you, you look like you've got tons of options.

My suggestion is to make it obvious to her that you like her, but that you don't need her. Be unavailable at times. If she invites you to do something, tell her you have other plans but that you'd like to hang out (suggest another day and a fun thing to do). This documents that you have options, that she isn't your everything, and that, if she's lucky, she can spend time with you.

Once she is hooked, and you plant your seed of awesome, THAN you can SLOWLY start showing more and more of your true colors (over say dates 5-10).. should you then determine that you have a ton in common, great.. should you determine it's not going anywhere, you still had a hot hook up session and, because of it, other chicks will want to test your waters.

There is a reason "good guys finish last".. and it's because they fail to learn (despite fail after failure with women) that they need to incorporate game..
I'll agree to all of this.
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All you guys ****in rock. I've never posted in here before but I wish I did a long time ago. Chase I appreciate the post, I first need to believe I'm a catch before I can convince her that I am. That's what I'm working on myself now. She already knows that I like her. Now I just need to seem occupied(which I am) until this weekend when I'll see her and act totally cooooool. And then take my chance, grab her, and kiss her.
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Casino, with all due respect, I'm going to disagree vehemently.. especially when offering advice to a college kid.

OP, Casino is trying to give you helpful information and is in fact spot on in that you need a girl to like you for you if you want something meaningful. BUT you can only form something meaningful once you've peaked a girls interest. My friend used to tell me that he didn't want to date lots of meaningless girls but rather to find "the one"... the problem with that view is that you're never going to find "the one" if you're not putting yourself out there. You miss 100% of the shots that you fail to take and you will botch 100% of the relationships in which you fail to peak the girls interest..

And you will NEVER peak her interests "being yourself and expressing a lot of interest". Unless you are already someone she desires, she will not want you if you jump in.. As solly commented, you need to be a prize.. something unobtainable by other girls. Have you ever noticed the guy at your school pounding girl after girl gets even more attention from other girls? It's not simply their appearance or swagger.. it's the fact that other girls haven't been able to keep him so he has to be some kind of desirable prize that girls will now work for.. they'll be buying you coffee, beers, whatever because they want to tie down the unobtainable prize.

So you like this girl.. so she likes you... so you want to tell her you like her and promise your undying love.. well, if you do that she'll run for the hills. But what to do to get her attention? For starters, she is not yours, you are not hers and you NEED to demonstarte to her that you have tons of other options. So when you're tackled by other chicks who miss you, you look like you've got tons of options.

My suggestion is to make it obvious to her that you like her, but that you don't need her. Be unavailable at times. If she invites you to do something, tell her you have other plans but that you'd like to hang out (suggest another day and a fun thing to do). This documents that you have options, that she isn't your everything, and that, if she's lucky, she can spend time with you.

Once she is hooked, and you plant your seed of awesome, THAN you can SLOWLY start showing more and more of your true colors (over say dates 5-10).. should you then determine that you have a ton in common, great.. should you determine it's not going anywhere, you still had a hot hook up session and, because of it, other chicks will want to test your waters.

There is a reason "good guys finish last".. and it's because they fail to learn (despite fail after failure with women) that they need to incorporate game..
great post. I wish more people would see things this way. The number of "nice guys" I'm friends with is insane. If there is a girl that comes around my group 8/10 times I will be the one that peeks the most interest. Not because I am the best looking, but because I know to be funny, sarcastic, and not give a fuuck while still looking like a good guy. Perform inception on these broads. Make them think you're mazing without acting like a cocky douche bag.

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Casino this isn't very true. I had a pretty successful relationship using those methods. And use it for every girl I've ever gotten with in the past 9 years or so. Any "expert" will tell you that this will work way more than being the type that is overly available. Girls are attracted to confidence and a guy that is always there is far from confident. Sometimes things just workout like they did for you but look around. Who gets more attention from girls? the guy that goes after all of them or the guy that plays it cool?
Perhaps what I wrote is being read differently that I had intended.

Confidence is not ignoring a person. Confidence is not being oblivious to a person. Confidence is knowing what you want. Confidence is a "take it or leave it" attitude. There is a difference between not looking back and simply ignoring a person.

A woman is going to know within the first 15 seconds of meeting you whether she'll **** you or not. And those who aren't capable of making that decision from the start... will friend zone the **** out of you if you pretend they do not exist. Because guess what? Your first impression wasn't strong enough for them to give two flying ****s.

But that's my opinion.
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All you guys ****in rock. I've never posted in here before but I wish I did a long time ago. Chase I appreciate the post, I first need to believe I'm a catch before I can convince her that I am. That's what I'm working on myself now. She already knows that I like her. Now I just need to seem occupied(which I am) until this weekend when I'll see her and act totally cooooool. And then take my chance, grab her, and kiss her.
you have my attainable dream car. you are a catch to me.

Bait some broads to write on your fb wall. As gay as it is, and I'm turning 30 tomorrow, it makes girls go nutty lol.
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Perhaps what I wrote is being read differently that I had intended.

Confidence is not ignoring a person. Confidence is not being oblivious to a person. Confidence is knowing what you want. Confidence is a "take it or leave it" attitude. There is a difference between not looking back and simply ignoring a person.

A woman is going to know within the first 15 seconds of meeting you whether she'll **** you or not. And those who aren't capable of making that decision from the start... will friend zone the **** out of you if you pretend they do not exist. Because guess what? Your first impression wasn't strong enough for them to give two flying ****s.

But that's my opinion.
Confidence is also not afraid to walk away from them, because you know they'll be right behind you. All I'm saying is wait for more indicators before you act, don't just act as soon as "that girl's hot, I'm going to tell her I want to bang her." That may work for a wh0re that you're just wanting to have sex with, but if you want to actually build a rapport with them, they will want something more exciting, more tough to get.
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Perhaps what I wrote is being read differently that I had intended.

Confidence is not ignoring a person. Confidence is not being oblivious to a person. Confidence is knowing what you want. Confidence is a "take it or leave it" attitude. There is a difference between not looking back and simply ignoring a person.

A woman is going to know within the first 15 seconds of meeting you whether she'll **** you or not. And those who aren't capable of making that decision from the start... will friend zone the **** out of you if you pretend they do not exist. Because guess what? Your first impression wasn't strong enough for them to give two flying ****s.

But that's my opinion.
I don't agree with that. I think girls will decide if you are attractive enough to fuuck but wont necessarily decide if they will do it until you give them a reason to. We don't ignore girls as much as we make them wait to hear from us and make ourselves seem busy or in demand. there's a girl I'm trying to get with now that I talk to all day every day for over a week. I'm backing off a bit to see how she reacts. Instead of texts all day I'll text a couple times. They all want what they can't have.
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Confidence is also not afraid to walk away from them, because you know they'll be right behind you. All I'm saying is wait for more indicators before you act, don't just act as soon as "that girl's hot, I'm going to tell her I want to bang her." That may work for a wh0re that you're just wanting to have sex with, but if you want to actually build a rapport with them, they will want something more exciting, more tough to get.
exactly. every hot grl gets a ton of "nice guys" coming at them
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I don't agree with that. I think girls will decide if you are attractive enough to fuuck but wont necessarily decide if they will do it until you give them a reason to. We don't ignore girls as much as we make them wait to hear from us and make ourselves seem busy or in demand. there's a girl I'm trying to get with now that I talk to all day every day for over a week. I'm backing off a bit to see how she reacts. Instead of texts all day I'll text a couple times. They all want what they can't have.
Agee to disagree. We have different mind sets.
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I have to agree with casino.

My relationships came from me acting confidently towards said female. I laid it out for her, told her what I have to offer... a great time with a real man who knows how to treat a woman.

Of course I got rejected a few times here and there, but the more I find out about girls after I crush on them... I realize it was better off ending before it even started.

The girls I acted oblivious towards ended up being lays, nothing more... nothing less. Do you really want a girl who would hook up with a guy who was an uninterested douche bag to her anyways? That's setting yourself up for a train wreck of a relationship if that's what you're seeking. If you're just looking for a lay, then have at it.

I'm just generalizing of course, as a great thing may come out of a one night stand... basically just be yourself and stick to your gut.
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You messed it up When she asked, "What do You want to do now?" This is where you don't say anything, just lean in and kiss her. It's worked for me everytime.
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I have to agree with casino.

My relationships came from me acting confidently towards said female. I laid it out for her, told her what I have to offer... a great time with a real man who knows how to treat a woman.

Of course I got rejected a few times here and there, but the more I find out about girls after I crush on them... I realize it was better off ending before it even started.

The girls I acted oblivious towards ended up being lays, nothing more... nothing less. Do you really want a girl who would hook up with a guy who was an uninterested douche bag to her anyways? That's setting yourself up for a train wreck of a relationship if that's what you're seeking. If you're just looking for a lay, then have at it.

I'm just generalizing of course, as a great thing may come out of a one night stand... basically just be yourself and stick to your gut.
The bottom line is you have to know your target. A girl that's 26 and single, is much more different than a 20 year old college girl. Every person that wants to settle down has a time that they want to do it, it's all about timing. OP asked about a college girl, so I gave advice based on that. Being straightforward can work if the girl is looking for that, and she deems you the fit for the model she's looking for. IMO there's no such thing as the one, only correct timing. I couldn't tell you how many girls that wanted to date me, and I've just wrote them off as not what I was looking for in that category, and a month later they were in a relationship. Know your target, and act accordingly; possessing all of this knowledge is mandatory to be able to differentiate, though.
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I have to agree with casino.

My relationships came from me acting confidently towards said female. I laid it out for her, told her what I have to offer... a great time with a real man who knows how to treat a woman.

Of course I got rejected a few times here and there, but the more I find out about girls after I crush on them... I realize it was better off ending before it even started.

The girls I acted oblivious towards ended up being lays, nothing more... nothing less. Do you really want a girl who would hook up with a guy who was an uninterested douche bag to her anyways? That's setting yourself up for a train wreck of a relationship if that's what you're seeking. If you're just looking for a lay, then have at it.

I'm just generalizing of course, as a great thing may come out of a one night stand... basically just be yourself and stick to your gut.
Don't take being not going hard at a girl as being an uninteresting douche. I'm far from that. I just go about it in a way that the girl kind of knows I am interested but not that my world revolves around them like I have nothing else going on.
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Coming from someone that's marrying a stage 5 clinger that searched through his browsing history, I find this post pretty ironic. Also coming from the guy that used online dating for years, and married his intern, it's even more ironic.

I don't chastise advice, I give my opinion. Take it or leave it, it's your insecurity that's speaking when you belittle others on a subject you clearly don't know as we'll as you think you do.
Belittle...lols, ironic. Listen man you give a lot of great advice, I'd go as far to say better than most. That said, a lot of your advice is also extremely biased and one sided; oddly enough it seems sometimes intentionally so, as I suspect you know better.

There're many ways to approach this situation, there's nothing inherently wrong or insulting about casino's post and you thinking otherwise just shows your insecurity, ignorance and frankly, inexperience. There's always more to learn, even in posts of ignorance there is always something to be learned, insulting people for giving their thoughts is just ridiculous; your life experience is no more valid than his, nor mine.

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Confidence is also not afraid to walk away from them, because you know they'll be right behind you. All I'm saying is wait for more indicators before you act, don't just act as soon as "that girl's hot, I'm going to tell her I want to bang her." That may work for a wh0re that you're just wanting to have sex with, but if you want to actually build a rapport with them, they will want something more exciting, more tough to get.
Please stop giving exaggerating examples to aid in your arguments, no one here is talking about going up to a girl and saying, "hey, let's bang." Trying to use such an exaggerated example as a representation towards taking a direct approach is ridiculous. Yes it would be classified as going direct, but there're obviously many more effective ways to do so. I doubt many know the in and outs, but I'd guess likewise for indirect.

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I don't agree with that. I think girls will decide if you are attractive enough to fuuck but wont necessarily decide if they will do it until you give them a reason to. We don't ignore girls as much as we make them wait to hear from us and make ourselves seem busy or in demand. there's a girl I'm trying to get with now that I talk to all day every day for over a week. I'm backing off a bit to see how she reacts. Instead of texts all day I'll text a couple times. They all want what they can't have.
Again, this is one way to do it but a true high value male wouldn't a ****, he'd do as he pleases, not worry about his next move. Sure he may do as you suggest, or he may just go direct, DHV/Qualify, and take **** from there. You could also go in as a friend, break rapport, qualify, and again, go from there. Also, there's more than one way to convey social proof, pre-selection and what have you; no matter how you may try to rationalize it, making women you're interested in wait when you're not genuinely busy reinforces a bad state of mind, it's try hard and reaction seeking. It's a matter of long term vs. short term, eventually this kind of thing will catch up to you, if it hasn't already before.

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Casino this isn't very true. I had a pretty successful relationship using those methods. And use it for every girl I've ever gotten with in the past 9 years or so. Any "expert" will tell you that this will work way more than being the type that is overly available. Girls are attracted to confidence and a guy that is always there is far from confident. Sometimes things just workout like they did for you but look around. Who gets more attention from girls? the guy that goes after all of them or the guy that plays it cool?
How about being the guy that's 'there' for everyone and 'goes after/talks to' everyone, and introduces everyone to everyone, etc. You're thinking about this wrong, stop focusing so much on the girl and focus more on socializing in general. The women will come!

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You messed it up When she asked, "What do You want to do now?" This is where you don't say anything, just lean in and kiss her. It's worked for me everytime.
He 'messed it up' when he asked, '"just a peck." Though nothing is actually messed up from the way it reads, just a little mistake is all. Next time just say "really let's find out," and go for it, or just go for it, or hell try just walking away and saying, "you've lost me." Ideally she wouldn't have said it in the first place, next time try qualifying more and then when the moment comes just go for it. Also work up to it, hold hands first, play silly grade school games (thumb wars, etc.), spin her around, fix her hair, christian side hugs, butt kicks, etc. Work up to it and things will go much smoother, as apposed to just let's kiss, make out, foreplay and then sex. There are many different types of touching, try to build up physical contact progressively. From acquaintance type touches, to friendly ones, to playful, to attraction based ones, to tension and eventually sexual based ones.

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The bottom line is you have to know your target. A girl that's 26 and single, is much more different than a 20 year old college girl. Every person that wants to settle down has a time that they want to do it, it's all about timing. OP asked about a college girl, so I gave advice based on that. Being straightforward can work if the girl is looking for that, and she deems you the fit for the model she's looking for. IMO there's no such thing as the one, only correct timing. I couldn't tell you how many girls that wanted to date me, and I've just wrote them off as not what I was looking for in that category, and a month later they were in a relationship. Know your target, and act accordingly; possessing all of this knowledge is mandatory to be able to differentiate, though.
First, women don't know what they want, what they want and what they respond to are two different things, you know this as I've seen you post it before which begs the question; why do you contradict yourself. Second, women don't give a **** how you approach them, you just have to know your approach and the nuances that go along with that particular approach. Direct is not just for a certain type of woman, same for indirect; I can use either to get the same woman. If you want to discuss which approach to take, it's really more about your logistics than anything else. Even then, either approach can work; and note that by approach I'm not singling out opening, I'm mean generally, you're overall approach.

OP here's my advice, take all advice with a grain of salt and apply only as feels natural. There are so many subtleties missing from all this advice that you really can't read it and except to get great results as a result of skill; more likely just luck. Game is learned through practice, good practice requires a rational state of mind, and thus it requires NOT practicing on someone you actually care about losing; practicing on someone you like is just asking for trouble. Women are instinctually much more intuitive in picking up on these sort of things than are men, and if she catches on that it's just an act, she may very well lose interest if she isn't already attracted. Though likewise, if she's already attracted then it may reinforce it through means of comfort. And note, attraction isn't some guaranteed thing once you have it, it comes and goes very quickly especially early on. It's all extremely situational dependent and there's only so much one can take away from written posts, both for those asking and for those giving advice. As good as some of the advice may seem and be, do yourself a favor and again, only apply what feels natural to you. Now if you were just practicing on random women and not someone your care about, then by all means experiment and try things that don't feel so natural, you'd be surprised by some of the things that work, though I'm getting of topic. Anyway, just my random thoughts, you fellas can take it how you will.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:24 AM   #38
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It was mentioned earlier about knowing your audience....knowing your target. It is marketing pure and simple. Men and women are no differnet than a commodity for sale at Walmart. We each have a need and we each are shopping for that product to fill our unique need.

A 20 something college girl's need for a man is much different than a 28yo career girl's need or a 34yo divorced girl's need. You need to cater to the need of this girl. Find out quickly what she is seeking and idealy you genuinely fit that need. Or if you are just a gamer, you'll front to appear to fit her need.

In my case, (knock on wood here), the direct approach is working great. I've shared this before, I'm 37 with a awesome 3yo son. I've done the gaming thing way too much and had my fun. I've been shopping for wife material. The recent girl is 28yo, school teacher, and is seeing all of her other gfs marrying having kids and settling down. So naturally she aspires for this too. Her ex did not share the same aspirations. However, I do.

Point is, a direct natural fit will build deeper lasting chemistry than game because the two people really are working together as a team to reach the same results and life direction.

Second point, the notion of playing hard to get, appearing to not need the girl, etc, is flawed. Sure it works if you just want poon and it works to mess with a girl's head to make her try harder for you. But it fails in building lasting intimacy. Once you get into a deep relationship with a girl, the girl craves intimacy. She craves to be able to open up, trust, and be vunerable with you. She needs to know you feel the same for her. If you don't recipricate and show her what she means to you, you'll never grow that intimacy to the point of having an epic relationship.

Now I by no means am advocating chopping off your balls. I still beleive in remaining the man, going out with my guy friends, and showing a strong masculine front. Women want a real man. But they also crave the intimacy. Balance. If you keep the balance you are golden. Compliment her family, tell her that her friends seem great, compliment her sense of style, but then 10 minutes later give her a little dig or playful sarcasm. Again, balance.

Example, she had hoped I'd be around this weekend, but I have guy plans, white water kayaking, so instead I suggested we meet for dinner this week. I got to her place last evening, she greeted me at the door in lingerie, heels, and dropped down to give a bj. Then she prepared a killer chicken parm, then she even gave me a silly card as a thoughtful gesture, afterward I took her to her room and we got it on again. In turn I compliment her at random times, I remain unpredictable and mix things up, I am not afraid to mix in a joke about what I see for a future (projection, girls love this), and I make plans for us.

1. Don't be afraid to be direct, be you, but be a confident you.
2. Incorporate some light push pull game but maintain directness.
3. Feed her need for intimacy as the relationship grows.
4. Maintain your sense of you, maintain your manhood while growing intimacy.
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Belittle...lols, ironic. Listen man you give a lot of great advice, I'd go as far to say better than most. That said, a lot of your advice is also extremely biased and one sided; oddly enough it seems sometimes intentionally so, as I suspect you know better.

There're many ways to approach this situation, there's nothing inherently wrong or insulting about casino's post and you thinking otherwise just shows your insecurity, ignorance and frankly, inexperience. There's always more to learn, even in posts of ignorance there is always something to be learned, insulting people for giving their thoughts is just ridiculous; your life experience is no more valid than his, nor mine.

He was sneaking in a couple belittling statements knowing I was the only one preaching the oblivious method. So I showed that I can do it as well. He knows there are more ways than one to get girls, so his opinion on being direct was only needed, not the rest.


Please stop giving exaggerating examples to aid in your arguments, no one here is talking about going up to a girl and saying, "hey, let's bang." Trying to use such an exaggerated example as a representation towards taking a direct approach is ridiculous. Yes it would be classified as going direct, but there're obviously many more effective ways to do so. I doubt many know the in and outs, but I'd guess likewise for indirect.

I preach both indirect, and direct. Not just the former.



First, women don't know what they want, what they want and what they respond to are two different things, you know this as I've seen you post it before which begs the question; why do you contradict yourself. Second, women don't give a **** how you approach them, you just have to know your approach and the nuances that go along with that particular approach. Direct is not just for a certain type of woman, same for indirect; I can use either to get the same woman. If you want to discuss which approach to take, it's really more about your logistics than anything else. Even then, either approach can work; and note that by approach I'm not singling out opening, I'm mean generally, you're overall approach.

Women know exactly what they want, but what they respond to is not always that. Women have been mentally building their perfect mate since they were little kids. But, what's perfect isn't always what they want. Women do care how you approach, because if too direct, they'll instantly throw a guard up. You have to approach in a way that shows them you're there for them, but at anytime you may walk away. Some guys can walk right to a girls face and be able to get through it, but it's not the best way to do it imo. Walking up to the side, or an angle doesn't startle them as much.

Again, I preach both direct and indirect. OP specifically requested how to be indirect, to a college girl, that I have plenty of experience with in the last 4 years. I thought I would share my opinion based on those experiences. I give advice based on the target described, not just advice that works for every person. Once again, take it or leave it.

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Confidence is also not afraid to walk away from them...
I guess you missed the "take it or leave it." I swear, do people argue nonexistent points for the fun of it?


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"that girl's hot, I'm going to tell her I want to bang her." That may work for a wh0re that you're just wanting to have sex with, but if you want to actually build a rapport with them, they will want something more exciting, more tough to get.


I don't even know where to start with that one.
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