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Old 10-03-2012, 10:02 AM   #81
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I work with a Muslim guy who has commented on how terrible things are in the ME, and how the actions of radicals embarrass him and people like him.

What more is he to do?
He could make a plea to his religious leaders. That would be a good start. Plead for them to be very vocal in condemning and condoning the extremists and those that support them. Put these high ranking clerics on an international stage demanding civility and publicly scorn those that feel rioting and murdering is the appropriate response to minor acts of disrespect.

I'm not saying these kinds of discussions within the musilim communities aren't already happening... if it is, it should be a lot more public.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:09 AM   #83
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He could make a plea to his religious leaders. That would be a good start. Plead for them to be very vocal in condemning and condoning the extremists and those that support them. Put these high ranking clerics on an international stage demanding civility and publicly scorn those that feel rioting and murdering is the appropriate response to minor acts of disrespect.

I'm not saying these kinds of discussions within the musilim communities aren't already happening... if it is, it should be a lot more public.
I would be willing to state that these conversations are already happening, but it doesn't make as good of a news story compared to a bunch of radicals blowing up cars.

There are articles all over the place, actually.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...-reaction.html

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He could make a plea to his religious leaders. That would be a good start. Plead for them to be very vocal in condemning and condoning the extremists and those that support them. Put these high ranking clerics on an international stage demanding civility and publicly scorn those that feel rioting and murdering is the appropriate response to minor acts of disrespect.

I'm not saying these kinds of discussions within the musilim communities aren't already happening... if it is, it should be a lot more public.
Look, I can sympathize with the "what can I do" comments from passive muslims here in the states. But the fact of the matter remains that a large majority of those muslims in the middle eastern countries in question are NOT passive. Furthermore, the religious leaders associate and (if not) fear the extremists and, in turn, do little (if anything) to persuade them away from these actions. The inmates (violent) are running the show over there and the prison guards (religious leaders) are bribed to idly stand by... not by money but by fear.

When Christians bomb an abortion clinic, you don't see the majority of catholic priests standing around or sitting on their hands.. they will speak out in outrage and do everything possible to assist in the arrest of the individual responsible. The same is NOT being done in the middle east... and that's why it's NOT just an extremist sect.. it's a much larger problem.
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Look, I can sympathize with the "what can I do" comments from passive muslims here in the states. But the fact of the matter remains that a large majority of those muslims in the middle eastern countries in question are NOT passive. Furthermore, the religious leaders associate and (if not) fear the extremists and, in turn, do little (if anything) to persuade them away from these actions. The inmates (violent) are running the show over there and the prison guards (religious leaders) are bribed to idly stand by... not by money but by fear.
Yeah, just like the Pope during WWII with the Nazi's.
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Yeah, just like the Pope during WWII with the Nazi's.
Does one evil justify another? Ridiculous justification...

You won't find me defending the crusades either.
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Does one evil justify another? Ridiculous justification...

You won't find me defending the crusades either.
No, it doesn't. Every religion has their ridiculous bullshit.
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No, it doesn't. Every religion has their ridiculous bullshit.
Yes.. but we can't use that as a defense for the current evils.

That would be like standing around claiming you can't frown upon mexicans for enslaving the Portuguese because it once happened elsewhere in the world...
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No, it doesn't. Every religion has their ridiculous bullshit.
While you are technically correct, it would be dishonest if you actually believed the "bullsh!t" is on the same level. I don't know of other religions that blow up buildings, buses, train stations, kill ambassadors, etc.
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While you are technically correct, it would be dishonest if you actually believed the "bullsh!t" is on the same level. I don't know of other religions that blow up buildings, buses, train stations, kill ambassadors, etc.
I don't know any religions that blow up buildings, busses, etc either.
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While you are technically correct, it would be dishonest if you actually believed the "bullsh!t" is on the same level. I don't know of other religions that blow up buildings, buses, train stations, kill ambassadors, etc.
Give me a break. Muslims may be troublemakers now, but all religions have blood on their hands.
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I would be willing to state that these conversations are already happening, but it doesn't make as good of a news story compared to a bunch of radicals blowing up cars.

There are articles all over the place, actually.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...-reaction.html

http://www.voanews.com/content/musli...k/1506903.html
Both of those examples, while certainly positive, are from American muslim leaders... who's voice most likely weighs diddly squat on an extremist's religious outlook.
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I don't know any religions that blow up buildings, busses, etc either.
Is that right? For some reason, all the terrorists seem to do it in the name of Allah.
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Is that right? For some reason, all the terrorists seem to do it in the name of Allah.


I'm sure he would disagree.

But we get it. You hate us. All of us. You along with about 92% of the forum.

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I'm sure he would disagree.

But we get it. You hate us. All of us. You along with about 92% of the forum.

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Right... this guy was a complete ass hole. And where is he now? Justice was served. Thank you for putting a face on my point.
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Right... this guy was a complete ass hole. And where is he now? Justice was served. Thank you for putting a face on my point.
Did his religion put him in jail, or did the government?


My point is that the problem in the ME seems to be the asshat governments, not a religion that comprises nearly 1 in 4 individuals world wide.
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Is that right? For some reason, all the terrorists seem to do it in the name of Allah.
Because they are idiots who have no idea what they are doing. They are not even muslims, they take everything out of context and act upon that, they are wild barbarians with a very small IQ, they live in areas with no laws/rules.

Its clear to me that you think all muslims are the same and Islam is a religion of evil.
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Did his religion put him in jail, or did the government?


My point is that the problem in the ME seems to be the asshat governments, not a religion that comprises nearly 1 in 4 individuals world wide.
The government did. But the point is, this man intentionally committed a heinous crime. He was hunted, caught, tried and dealt with.
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