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Old 10-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #101
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You forgot to mention my 88 F150 also in the driveway. And none of the vehicles are clean right now.

Um, yes, I certainly believe that if a person does less work, they should be paid less. Do you think otherwise?

I've never gotten a holiday bonus, but I've been paid overtime for working on holidays. I do the job that I get paid for, and get paid for the work I do. Somehow that's a bad thing to expect from other people?

All the pizza places around me are close at 4 am, and having a regular day job with a schedule, I'm sleeping at that time.

But on the off chance that there were a delivery place open at 4am, and on the off chance that I've for some reason ordered a pizza that requires two people to deliver at 4am, that arrives at my house somewhere between 15 and 30 minutes after I've ordered it, I may tip, based on the overall level of satisfaction. But am I automatically going to throw them money for doing their jobs? Nope.
Im going to call that a win
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:52 PM   #102
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15 minutes to make and deliver a pizza? do you get your pizza from the same guy jack got his bean stalk beans from?
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I answered your question already. I'll do it again, though. Why on earth should he get paid extra for doing exactly what is expected of him?
you have got to be trolling...

next time, you should let the waiter know that you don't tip before he takes your order, then you'll see what kind of "service" you will get. ya know, at least give him a fair warning, considering you are one of the fraction of a percent who stiffs a waiter for doing his/her job
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you have got to be trolling...

next time, you should let the waiter know that you don't tip before he takes your order, then you'll see what kind of "service" you will get. ya know, at least give him a fair warning, considering you are one of the fraction of a percent who stiffs a waiter for doing his/her job
Stiff? Maybe you can explain why a waiter deserves to be paid extra for doing their job? Again, guy gets paid salary for doing a job. Now I'm supposed to pay him extra for doing his job, and he expects me to pay him extra, too!

No one else seems able to put into words why it's my job to subsidize this poor guy's low salary.
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Stiff? Maybe you can explain why a waiter deserves to be paid extra for doing their job? Again, guy gets paid salary for doing a job. Now I'm supposed to pay him extra for doing his job, and he expects me to pay him extra, too!

No one else seems able to put into words why it's my job to subsidize this poor guy's low salary.
How ignorant are you? Salary?

2.15 an hour is salary?

You've clearly never worked as a server, so stop bullshiitting.
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Stiff? Maybe you can explain why a waiter deserves to be paid extra for doing their job? Again, guy gets paid salary for doing a job. Now I'm supposed to pay him extra for doing his job, and he expects me to pay him extra, too!

No one else seems able to put into words why it's my job to subsidize this poor guy's low salary.
yes, stiff... aka you don't leave a tip. the bill is $49, you leave $49. That is what you do, correct? Because why should you pay "extra" when someone is basically being your servant for an hour or two

do yourself and the world a favor and stay out of restaurants... i can just imagine what a joy you would be serving.

They make a couple dollars an hour BECAUSE the 15-20% tips is where they make their money. You can throw every logical excuse you have at me, and everyone else in this thread, but at the end of the day you are a cheap prick.
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How ignorant are you? Salary?

2.15 an hour is salary?

You've clearly never worked as a server, so stop bullshiitting.
Again, the fact that he gets less than minimum wage is not my problem. If he wants to get paid more, he should talk to his boss, not expect his customers to make up te difference
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It's just bullshit that I should be expected to pay extra because some guy does his job.

And yes, expected. The waiter thinks its automatic that I'm going to whip out some cash an pay him more money regardless of what he does. Shitty service? Automatic tip. Good service? More automatic tip.

For great service, I'm more than happy to pay extra. But again, I'm not laying down extra money just because society deems it.
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He chose that job knowing full well what his duties would be. Nobody surprised hi by saying he was going to have to bring food and drinks to people. That's the bare minimum of what his job requires. Nobody else in the world expects to get a bonus for doing what's expected of them, why should he?
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He chose that job knowing full well what his duties would be. Nobody surprised hi by saying he was going to have to bring food and drinks to people. That's the bare minimum of what his job requires. Nobody else in the world expects to get a bonus for doing what's expected of them, why should he?
Because you pay a lower price for the food than you otherwise would if the business owner paid them a full hourly wage.

A waiters service is where they earn money, that's the expectation. You are not required to tip. If you don't, though, as a matter of habit you're just cheap and if you frequent any restaurant I would imagine your service received is reflective of that.
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It's just bullshit that I should be expected to pay extra because some guy does his job.

And yes, expected. The waiter thinks its automatic that I'm going to whip out some cash an pay him more money regardless of what he does. Shitty service? Automatic tip. Good service? More automatic tip.

For great service, I'm more than happy to pay extra. But again, I'm not laying down extra money just because society deems it.
Because society deems it? You are joking right? Do you need a law passed stating that you should tip 15-20% on satisfactory service?

When 99.9% of the population will say "ya you should tip"... guess what, its not what "society" deems... its just what you do.

End of the day, cheap bastid. You are cheap... no way in hell you can come to an acceptable logical excuse not to tip. You are just cheap.
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Again, the fact that he gets less than minimum wage is not my problem. If he wants to get paid more, he should talk to his boss, not expect his customers to make up te difference
You do understand that they are paid on the basis that their tips will even out their wages?

Servers have to tip out 3% of their sales to the rest of the restaurant, hostesses, bussers, expo, bartenders, ect.

If you have a $100.00 bill, and you leave $5.00, they have to tip out 3 dollars and are left with two.

That makes 4.15 for an hour.

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don't go out to dine if that's your mentality. YOU ARE RECEIVING A SERVICE ON TOP OF FOOD. How is that so difficult to understand?

Take-out so you don't waste a servers table for an hour when they could have been getting $20.00 instead of your shitty $5.00, and then they have to get your plates cleaned, restock them, reset the table you left a mess, roll the silverware you used, and sweep the floor you dirtied.
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Again, their low salary is not my problem. They can talk to their boss if they want a raise.

Nobody else in the world expects more money for doing what's expected. Why are these people so entitled? Because the don't get paid a lot from their boss? Cry me a ****ing river.
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I receive a service at McDonald's too, and most of those kids have to cook as well as serve you. When was the last time you tipped them?

You receive a service any time you walk into a store. Do you feel the burning need to tip every customer service associate you come in contact with?
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Again, their low salary is not my problem. They can talk to their boss if they want a raise.

Nobody else in the world expects more money for doing what's expected. Why are these people so entitled? Because the don't get paid a lot from their boss? Cry me a ****ing river.
-- Hourly wages are typically significantly less in the service industry, because tips are considered part of the servers income.

-- Your server is likely being taxed 8% to 10% of your bill whether you tip them or not. Many restaurants automatically deduct this percent from the serverís pay check to keep the server in the right ball park at tax time. This is not the only income tax that the server must claim. So if you do not tip the server, it has actually cost the server money to serve you. This also means that the first 8% of a 10% tip goes to the government and not to the server.

-- Believe it or not, servers do not always get a paycheck. Sometimes, because of the taxes they pay and/or deductions, servers must pay in to the company rather than get a check.

-- Your server has to tip, too. It is very common for a waiter or waitress to have to tip out their supporting staff, ie; the bartender, bus person, food runners, and others. Bartenders may have to tip out their bar backs. These tips are based often on the sales of the server, so if you donít tip them, in addition to the 8% the government gets, they often have to shell out money to the support staff, putting them further in the hole. Sometimes the support staff is tipped a percent of the serverís tips. So not tipping the server is the same as not tipping any of the hard working support staff in the restaurant.

-- Servers do a lot of work that they are not tipped on, also. It is called side work and it is work that is done for no more than their hourly rate. Side work usually involves cleaning the restaurant, stocking supplies, and getting the store ready for the next shifts business. Side work can be time consuming and, at times, physically straining.
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