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Old 10-08-2012, 09:31 PM   #21
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i woud also suggest looking at Yamaha too!!!
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I agree with onkyo for entry level. Good bang for your buck.

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Pioneer VSX-1022-K for $279.99
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I have the predecessor, 1021-K and really like it. For that price, I would highly recommend.
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Harman Kardon is the best sounding in the upper entry-level arena.
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Harmon Kardon is NOT the best sounding in the upper entry-level.

The best bang for your buck is always going to be Denon. They always provide the best combination of picture and sound quality with enough watts per channel and one of the best processors money could buy. A strong second would be Marantz.

If anyone wanted a high end AVR you would start looking at Arcam...

HK, and Yamaha are pieces of junk in my opinion.
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The best bang for your buck is always going to be Denon. They always provide the best combination of picture and sound quality with enough watts per channel and one of the best processors money could buy. A strong second would be Marantz.
Denon and Marantz are the same company and actually use a lot of the same onboard electronics.

I disagree with your assessment that Denon is always the best bang for the buck, especially at the low and high end of their model range. For low I would go to Onkyo first for the better power and feature set, and at the high end the Pioneer Elite SC-X models with class d3 amps push more power per channel with all channels driven. The sound is entirely subjective but I prefer the brighter, energetic sound of the Pioneer over the more flat and muted sound of the Denon.
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Pioneer VSX-1022-K for $279.99
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I have the predecessor, 1021-K and really like it. For that price, I would highly recommend.
Not only did I take your recommendation and pick up the 1022-K but I ordered it from NewEgg (normally 449 and NewEgg offered 170 instant rebate plus free shipping). 280 for that receiver seems like a damn good deal. Will be nice to have airplay and all the sound/video enhancements.
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Not only did I take your recommendation and pick up the 1022-K but I ordered it from NewEgg (normally 449 and NewEgg offered 170 instant rebate plus free shipping). 280 for that receiver seems like a damn good deal. Will be nice to have airplay and all the sound/video enhancements.
Not trying to be rude but a Pioneer receiver (unless it was the ELITE line) will sound like crap compared to harman kardon, Yamaha, Onkyo or DENON you basically picked the worst sounding one. If you lived near my city I would invite you to my place so you could hear my DENON or Onkyo receivers... Don't worry too much though, if you come from an older Sony you probably won't notice any difference in sound quality.
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As I'm not a huge audio head, I likely won't notice THAT much of a difference (Though I'm sure I'd notice some) between a mid end unit and an upper end setup. That said, is the pioneer THAT bad? On newegg, it was marked from 450 down to 280 with shipping included... cnet basically said at 450 is was mediocre but if you could get it around 300 it was a good buy (the air play is definitely a nice feature).

They were mentioning an Onkyo TX-NR414 that is similarly priced to what I paid for the Pioneer and it seemed (on paper anyway) like they were pretty comparable.. the Onkyo offering better sound and the Pioneer offering "cooler" features (airplay, ipod controls, etc). I opted for the feature packed one.

But, if the pioneer is definitely an inferior product, I can certainly use that 30 day return period. For the 280 i paid, are there significantly better products? I hesitate to buy off ebay as I've bought two used receivers in the past.. one wreaked of smoke every time i turned it on (I ended up throwing it out i was so frustrated with it) and the other shorted after a few months of use and basically destroyed itself.
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Several years ago, I bought a Yamaha RX-V659. Besides the usual sound quality concerns, I wanted 3 things: iPod input, XM input, and pre-out for the front channels.

My (front and for the time being, only) speakers are biamplified with an old Yamaha amp, so I needed the pre-out for the front channel in order to keep that configuration.

Maybe I'm a goofball, but I have the video from my DVD player and Wii run directly to the TV, and the audio from the DVD player run directly to the receiver. So I don't send video signal through the receiver at all.

Anyway, I tell you all that because in addition to sound quality, if this is a receiver you're going to live with for a while, try to think ahead a few years to what different configurations/expansions your system might end up in. It may be worth some extra $s now if the versatility of the unit you buy prevents you from having to buy another one in 3 years when you've picked up some more goodies.
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As I'm not a huge audio head, I likely won't notice THAT much of a difference (Though I'm sure I'd notice some) between a mid end unit and an upper end setup. That said, is the pioneer THAT bad? On newegg, it was marked from 450 down to 280 with shipping included... cnet basically said at 450 is was mediocre but if you could get it around 300 it was a good buy (the air play is definitely a nice feature).

They were mentioning an Onkyo TX-NR414 that is similarly priced to what I paid for the Pioneer and it seemed (on paper anyway) like they were pretty comparable.. the Onkyo offering better sound and the Pioneer offering "cooler" features (airplay, ipod controls, etc). I opted for the feature packed one.

But, if the pioneer is definitely an inferior product, I can certainly use that 30 day return period. For the 280 i paid, are there significantly better products? I hesitate to buy off ebay as I've bought two used receivers in the past.. one wreaked of smoke every time i turned it on (I ended up throwing it out i was so frustrated with it) and the other shorted after a few months of use and basically destroyed itself.
If you want better features then stay with the Pioneer but if you're looking for a better sound experience get the Onkyo.
I'm an audiophile and always choose the best sounding stuff and don't really care much on the extra features some receivers offer, I listen to music very often and the cleaner the sound the longer I can stay listening to it. My first receiver was a Kenwood and that was back in the 80's then I tried Sony, Pioneer and basically all of them were junk, my favorite now is DENON, Yamaha and Pioneer Elite series but if I was to do it all over again I would had started with Onkyo and skip the inferior ones I started with.
You might need some great speakers too, I like KEF and Klipsch but there's other brands out there. I think Klipsch are the best sounding for the money but I could be wrong would't hurt to check around.
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If you want better features then stay with the Pioneer but if you're looking for a better sound experience get the Onkyo.
I'm an audiophile and always choose the best sounding stuff and don't really care much on the extra features some receivers offer, I listen to music very often and the cleaner the sound the longer I can stay listening to it.
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My next receiver will probably be an Onkyo again and have had/sold stuff most people have never even heard of.

Any receiver under $500 that is half price will be a good value.

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Thanks for all the feedback guys. It's genuinely appreciated

I guess my Sony bookshelf style speakers probably should go but I think i'll wait to upgrade until I move into my new house. For the time being, I think a 3.1 (no rear speakers) setup will have to do... seems silly to spend the time/energy on 5.1 on an apartment living room (rear speakers would end up essentially right next to my couch).

We'll have to see how this all pans out.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. It's genuinely appreciated

I guess my Sony bookshelf style speakers probably should go but I think i'll wait to upgrade until I move into my new house. For the time being, I think a 3.1 (no rear speakers) setup will have to do... seems silly to spend the time/energy on 5.1 on an apartment living room (rear speakers would end up essentially right next to my couch).

We'll have to see how this all pans out.
Not necessarily. I had a 5.1 setup in my small apartment and it kicked ass. Granted the size of the room did not allow for the best speaker placement but it was still much more enjoyable to watch movies/tv and play games in surround than stereo only.

I'd suggest looking into a good pair of floor standing speakers as your front mains, then you can move your bookshelf speakers to the back as rear effect and replace them when your budget permits. If you do that you'll get surround + a noticeable improvement in stereo listening.

What are you using for a sub?
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Not necessarily. I had a 5.1 setup in my small apartment and it kicked ass. Granted the size of the room did not allow for the best speaker placement but it was still much more enjoyable to watch movies/tv and play games in surround than stereo only.

I'd suggest looking into a good pair of floor standing speakers as your front mains, then you can move your bookshelf speakers to the back as rear effect and replace them when your budget permits. If you do that you'll get surround + a noticeable improvement in stereo listening.

What are you using for a sub?
That's not a bad idea... is it possible to get nice floor speakers for the front for under 100?

As for the sub, I still have the same one I got back when I bought my first sony 5.1 setup. I'm sure it's not the best in the world but I can't imagine my neighbors would take kindly to me getting one with all that much more pop

For gaming, I still rock my AX Pro headphones... the 5.1 in them is awesome. I wouldn't consider playing COD online without them
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That's not a bad idea... is it possible to get nice floor speakers for the front for under 100?
No.

Chances are you'll be paying $250+ for EACH front floorstanding speaker.

A good subwoofer is key to a great sound experience. It doesn't need to be loud, just needs to be balanced and clear.

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