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Old 10-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #21
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drivers ed should tack on an extra performance class at 18 so people can learn how to get out of over and understeer situations and avoid half the accidents on the road
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:51 AM   #22
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Noo it was nothin like that.. I actually tried to avoid the crash and missed 2 other cars but not the curb
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #23
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My driving school said that it doesn't matter if you take the defensive driving course. They said there was "no need"
Really..!!!
I am wondering about that school now...; where are you "State", I'm in Canada and here all "Reputable" driving schools are registered with the government to be certified and issue certificates of driving course completion that the driver can than present to the issuance companies for a considerable discount in rates...

If your school indeed said "there is no need"; either your area doen't require it, the person who said that may feel "YOU" don't need it or simply may not now or offer it.

You do have to admit though, such a course would be of great asset to any driver, not just the new kids that are getting on the road for the first time...
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:17 AM   #24
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Dude I live in Indiana and really wish the defensive driving was part of the regular Ed course... My beautiful car is gone because it wasn't a part of the curriculum
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:25 AM   #25
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Hey guys so the other day I was driving and pulled into a skid. Next thing I know, I'm pounding my passenger side into the curb and popping my tires.. The insurance just totaled my car. I hadn't made any mods yet but I was planning to... Sadly I am no longer an e46 owner now unless I can find another e46 in my area for the 7500 insurance gave me with low mileage(around 100-125k)
Go to where your car is, since your insurance totaled it, strip the car of parts that you can sell on ebay. I did this for 2 e39's I crashed and made about 2k on top of what my insurance paid me. I mean, rims, window switches, headlights, taillights, speakers, etc.. whatever you can get your hands on. Its still your car till they pay you, and my insurance company gave me permission because I wanted them to pay me for "upgraded options" which obviously they didn't want to, and said go ahead and take those parts out. Up to you, where do you live?

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Old 10-24-2012, 11:39 AM   #26
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South bend Indiana, and the car has NO aftermarket stuff and it still has like the old head unit and all.. Not really going to help.. The 2 passenger side rims are destroyed beyond repair so... Yeah
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:49 AM   #27
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You should be able to buy it back for your deductible

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Old 10-24-2012, 11:55 AM   #28
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I was taking a turn while the entire place was just soaked in crazy rain... Started left turn from the stoplight... Tried to turn into left lane like the tell you in drivers Ed (bastards) and car skids... TCS didn't kick in (the three lights were on: TCS abs brake) and after avoiding nailing a car I nailed a curb
Well, a few issues here that could have caused this:

1. Your tires were low on tread and were not gripping the road. I have not experienced what you have in the rain, and I've been through some intense downpours with my tire.

2. You had to have put too much gas in the turn

3. DSC was broken. This would have saved your car. Let this be a lesson not to ignore that light. If it were working, your car would have been saved.

Even if it was ASC, it still would have worked. It is designed for that exact situation - rear wheels sliding from power into a turn.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:14 PM   #29
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The lights occasionally come on so I guess the system was very sporadic and only worked sometimes... The stealership said it was fine to just leave it that It was just a sensor not working right
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:58 PM   #30
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Damn guys, the guy took a turn and lost traction. **** happens. Not much DSC can do once the car is ALREADY in a skid, how could it if you have no traction?

Its entirely possible on asphalt for rain to mix with the dried oils and make for a dangerously slick surface. I have experienced this before, but due to my 'spirited driving' as a kid I knew what to do... and also what NOT to do in a mist / asphalt / intersection mix. In this situation, tires can make all the difference.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #31
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There's no way this happened strictly because the road was wet or oily. If it did, all the other cars going through that intersection would have slid into the curb as well. Or at least one other! I live in Oregon and we get heavy rains at the end of summer too, but I've never had my car slide in the slightest way without knowing that I was giving it too much gas. Rain is rain, not butter.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:38 PM   #32
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Damn guys, the guy took a turn and lost traction. **** happens. Not much DSC can do once the car is ALREADY in a skid, how could it if you have no traction?

Its entirely possible on asphalt for rain to mix with the dried oils and make for a dangerously slick surface. I have experienced this before, but due to my 'spirited driving' as a kid I knew what to do... and also what NOT to do in a mist / asphalt / intersection mix. In this situation, tires can make all the difference.
No. DSC should have absolutely stopped this from happening. Furthermore it doesn't matter what the surface of the road is like, tgis is still operator error. If the road is wet, drive slow and plan ahead, it's not rocket science...

Don't take it too hard OP, learn from your mistakes. I drove my first car into the woods at 40mph due to black ice on a dark road, now I drove slow if the road looks glossy. Live and learn.

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Old 10-24-2012, 02:41 PM   #33
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:14 PM   #34
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Glad you're okay. Sucks about the car.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:17 PM   #35
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Damn guys, the guy took a turn and lost traction. **** happens. Not much DSC can do once the car is ALREADY in a skid, how could it if you have no traction?

Its entirely possible on asphalt for rain to mix with the dried oils and make for a dangerously slick surface. I have experienced this before, but due to my 'spirited driving' as a kid I knew what to do... and also what NOT to do in a mist / asphalt / intersection mix. In this situation, tires can make all the difference.
The entire point of DSC is that it detects a no-traction event before it happens. It is both predictive and reactive, and it does an amazing job of both.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:21 PM   #36
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99 323s don't have DSC guys... did I miss that part of the discussion? They have archaic TC more akin to that in the E36.

I am going to bet your tires were bad.

Sorry that happened, better luck next time.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:21 PM   #37
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DSC has saved me from spinning out in the rain with worn tires a couple of times when the rear end started stepping out on a long left turn.

The second my car started drifting it kicked in and straightened me out, and this was in some seriously heavy rain too.
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Go to where your car is, since your insurance totaled it, strip the car of parts that you can sell on ebay. I did this for 2 e39's I crashed and made about 2k on top of what my insurance paid me. I mean, rims, window switches, headlights, taillights, speakers, etc.. whatever you can get your hands on. Its still your car till they pay you, and my insurance company gave me permission because I wanted them to pay me for "upgraded options" which obviously they didn't want to, and said go ahead and take those parts out. Up to you, where do you live?

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OP, talk to your insurance company before you do this. Based on your state and/or company, they can exercise the right to reduce your settlement for whatever you take off the car.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:23 PM   #39
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DSC and ASC do nothing. People who rely on these systems have never driven a car with no traction control on a track and learned how a car naturally behaves with input from steering clutch gear seleection throtle etc.
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dsc doesnt predict the future. it's not time machine

i unplugged a wheel sensor and have no ABS ASC. Pure skills yo

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