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Old 10-24-2012, 06:58 PM   #41
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:31 PM   #42
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OP, talk to your insurance company before you do this. Based on your state and/or company, they can exercise the right to reduce your settlement for whatever you take off the car.
Oh trust me I will not be stripping anything from the car insurance will get it as is minus my school parking pass, garage door opener, Lexus floor mats, stuff like that
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:34 PM   #43
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And by the way I went with my dad to talk to the dealership where the car was... They said the hit was hard enough to completely jar the suspension to its knees.. Various parts of it are damaged.. Also the frame got damaged and they said "who knows what else under the car was messed up" all in all they said to salvage it now would be a waste of money
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:44 PM   #44
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7500 enough to buy a ZHP. what a crash thank you insurance!
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:52 PM   #45
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And by the way I went with my dad to talk to the dealership where the car was... They said the hit was hard enough to completely jar the suspension to its knees.. Various parts of it are damaged.. Also the frame got damaged and they said "who knows what else under the car was messed up" all in all they said to salvage it now would be a waste of money
OP this doesn't add up. Bent frame, trashed/totaled suspension, broken rims/wheels - and you weren't going more than 20mph?


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DSC and ASC do nothing. People who rely on these systems have never driven a car with no traction control on a track and learned how a car naturally behaves with input from steering clutch gear seleection throtle etc.
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I lived up in VT for a number of years and my 1981 automatic 320i was better in the snow than my Land Rover. People used to tell me all the time that I was crazy for not having 4WD, etc. but it was fine.

Traction and stability control aren't evil but they can be a really bad thing to rely on. Much better to learn how to drive properly first so that you can use the gadgets and toys to your advantage rather than rely on them.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:01 PM   #46
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dsc doesnt predict the future. it's not time machine
Your ignorance of how computer algorithms work is showing.

Go read up on how Electronic Stability Program works, and more specifically, how DSC works.

It is predictive and reactive. It can predict if a spin out is going to occur given all the many inertia, steering angle sensor, and wheel speed inputs it gets, and it reacts to correct the problem.

It doesn't mean it kicks Newton in the nuts and says "**** you, I do what I want," it still has to obey the laws of physics. If you get too far out of line or are going too fast, DSC can't help you. Actually, a study was done on the PIT maneuver and Stability Control to give the approximate angle in which the rear end has to be forced out before it cannot help anymore.

DSC tries to prevent that angle from occurring in the first place, and it's extremely good at it.

It will also slow you down at the track and take away driver control. That is why it is good to drive with it off at the track.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:25 PM   #47
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OP this doesn't add up. Bent frame, trashed/totaled suspension, broken rims/wheels - and you weren't going more than 20mph?
I was at 20 mph when I last looked at the speedometer.. What happened while I was maneuvering and trying so hard to keep my car and myself alive I have no memory of
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:33 PM   #48
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Mentally you shut down when you have not faced this situation before. One begins to see only what is in front of them and the epinephrine boost in your body makes your decisions rash and horrible.. As a result, I crashed Into the curb trying to straighten myself to go the correct way. If I still had sense at the time, I would have gone into the gas station entrance literally 2 feet from where I crashed and used the grass beside the station to stop myself
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:38 PM   #49
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Mentally you shut down when you have not faced this situation before. One begins to see only what is in front of them and the epinephrine boost in your body makes your decisions rash and horrible.. As a result, I crashed Into the curb trying to straighten myself to go the correct way. If I still had sense at the time, I would have gone into the gas station entrance literally 2 feet from where I crashed and used the grass beside the station to stop myself
As other's have mentioned, I'd take a driving course. I used to instruct a street smarts for kids course and it was really fun for the new drivers as well as the instructors. I've done a few other courses too and the skid pads are always LOTS of fun. It's amazing how much your driving will change when you are comfortable in a skid.

Make sure the course is designed to force you into BOTH oversteer and understeer situations. Experiencing both, knowing the difference and knowing how to react to each can save your life.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:08 PM   #50
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DSC and ASC do nothing. People who rely on these systems have never driven a car with no traction control on a track and learned how a car naturally behaves with input from steering clutch gear seleection throtle etc.
Bull. None of my E36's had traction control of any sort and I learned the ins and outs of those cars enough that if I ever did encounter a skid it was a fun feeling and not a s*** my pants feeling. So to a certain degree I see where you're coming from, but the DSC on an E46 works wonders. It will correct ANY type of wheel slip pretty much immediately (which will f*** you up at first if you're used to not having it) and keeps your car planted. I'm not saying you should rely on it fully, but it's definitely a good thing to have and it definitely prevents the normal drift out sideways at a low speed type situation that the OP is describing. I'm with everyone else that OP probably had balled tires though, in which case none of his tires had traction so he was phucked from the get-go.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:27 PM   #51
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There are reasons why ASC is illegal in nearly every form of racing....

Per my BMW owners manual:
"ASC will not allow you to violate any laws of physics. Please drive with common sense"

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SCCA offers a street survival driving school for teans, stats show a big reduction in single car accidents ,, My daughter(s) will be taking it....

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Old 10-25-2012, 12:00 AM   #52
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:38 AM   #53
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OP be glad you are ok and learn from this. At least you have the balls to come on here and say you messed up. Allot of the people giving you hell most likely cannot drive themselves. Save some money go take a driving course and get another e46 down the road.

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Old 10-25-2012, 07:07 AM   #54
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What's done is done I guess... And now there's one less e46 323i with a clean title out there for all of you that hate the 323i model
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:18 PM   #55
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Don't feel bad dude! I'm sorry for your loss. Losing a car is one of the worst feeling I've ever felt. Things will be ok. I suggest looking for a nice e36 328i or 328is from a private party. They're easier to work on, mildly cheaper to maintain and you'll still be part of the family. If you're lucky, you might even find a '98 that has under 100k miles. Go e36. You'll be happy. I promise. Good luck and I'm glad you're physically well after your accident. Much worse could have happened.

Seriously. Go e36.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:21 PM   #57
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Just a question. If e36 did NOT have any skid control wouldn't it be bad? Should take a course that teaches skid control and then buy a car with a traction control system?
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:31 PM   #58
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Just a question. If e36 did NOT have any skid control wouldn't it be bad? Should take a course that teaches skid control and then buy a car with a traction control system?
Oh my... You can NOT be serious, right? How old are you? Is this a troll?

My first car ever was an e36 328i (1996). I put ZHP wheels on that thing and drove it like it was a race car thinking I was the most awesome BMW owner ever. Power slides, speeding tickets, trying to race Civic SI's not knowing what the heck V-Tech was... the works.

You DON'T NEED skid control. It's nice to have but you don't need it. Just open your eyes and look in the direction you want your car to go, POINT. and SHOOT.

And always, ALWAYS stay up on maintenance. Never buy a car without a Carfax report.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:58 PM   #59
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I'm just saying that considering insurance has marked me as "accident prone" or something that even if I know HOW to correct the skid, it would be smarter to also have a car with working skid control tech so i can work with it
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:16 PM   #60
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