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Old 10-29-2013, 10:49 AM   #41
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SOME corporations are like that, and I don't patronize them.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:00 AM   #42
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:07 AM   #43
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Well it's mostly Lair.

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Old 10-29-2013, 11:42 AM   #44
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I'm glad you aren't too. We have enough assh*les already.
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Well it's mostly Lair.

Be glad you're not 50, impotent, and driving a Volkswagen Beetle with Porsche stickers on it.
I should sell my Beetle and buy four cars like yours.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:52 PM   #47
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Old 10-29-2013, 02:31 PM   #48
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My health insurance has gone up almost every year for the last decade.


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Old 10-29-2013, 05:45 PM   #49
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Are you telling me that your health insurance has gone up at the same rate (8 years vs the last 2?) If you say yes, then you are completely full of sh!t.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:52 PM   #50
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Apparently you missed the graph that was posted earlier.
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Classic "thanks Obama" thread.

Who were you blaming a decade ago?



http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/11/news..._costs_family/
quote worthy.
Anyone care to explain this chart?

NB: I'm not in favor of mandated health care insurance.
I think that the only insurance that we should tolerate being mandated is auto insurance. That's because it's to protect the other party, the one that you hit, and not yourself.
I think that all other insurance that don't protect the other party should be optional.
That said, let's not blame the government with nonsense, bs arguments.
ACA did not impose extra taxes on insurers, to be passed on to insured.
Yes, if ACA imposed that insurance policies must extend their coverage, meaning covering health issues that aren't covered today, then I can see how that would increase premiums for all. But did that really happen? I don't think so.
I understood what the ACA mandated was that everybody must have coverage (not increased coverage). That mandate means forcing more people into the pool. More customers in the pool would lower the premiums, unless you can show that the people forced into the pool are somehow less healthy than the ones in the pool.
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Are you telling me that your health insurance has gone up at the same rate (8 years vs the last 2?) If you say yes, then you are completely full of sh!t.
Mine has actually gone up less this year compared to last year and the year prior

This year it was 52/mo and next year it's 58/mo. Stop the presses?
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Anyone care to explain this chart?

NB: I'm not in favor of mandated health care insurance.
I think that the only insurance that we should tolerate being mandated is auto insurance. That's because it's to protect the other party, the one that you hit, and not yourself.
I think that all other insurance that don't protect the other party should be optional.
That said, let's not blame the government with nonsense, bs arguments.
ACA did not impose extra taxes on insurers, to be passed on to insured.
Yes, if ACA imposed that insurance policies must extend their coverage, then I can see how that would increase premiums for all. But did that really happen?
What I understood what the ACA mandated that all must have coverage (not increased coverage).
That mandate means forcing more people into the pool. More customers in the pool would lower the premiums, unless you can show that the people forced into the pool are somehow less healthy than the ones in the pool.
Then with all due respect, you need to do a little bit more reading. This is exactly what happened. The Obama administration felt that catastrophic policies were "lacking" and that everyone needed FULL coverage. Basically, if you drive a civic with rusty paint and a barely running motor worth $500, having liability isn't enough, you need to have it all. That is exactly what happened. That sort of insurance costs A LOT more than a catastrophic policy. So a $100 policy is gone, and you are left with a full policy, which is quadruple the price. Tell me, why does a healthy 4 year old need a full policy?

The graph posted earlier is moronic. It has nothing to do with this argument. The graph (although it isn't labeled) shows healthcare prices rising assuming other variables are the same (ie, the same plan.) What's happening today is that affordable plans were outlawed, so people MUST get expensive plans, which they cant afford. I'm a healthy guy, and when I need a checkup, I pay my doctor $100 a visit in a cash, I don't need to pay $400 a month for insurance so that i can see the doctor every 6 months for a checkup...which would have cost $100. My catastrophic insurance is going to get cancelled soon as well.
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Are you telling me that your health insurance has gone up at the same rate (8 years vs the last 2?) If you say yes, then you are completely full of sh!t.
The increases in the last 2 years are still not related to Obamacare.
How do you explain the increase?
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Mine has actually gone up less this year compared to last year and the year prior

This year it was 52/mo and next year it's 58/mo. Stop the presses?
Apples and bowling balls my friend. Im willing to bet you get your insurance through your employer correct?
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The increases in the last 2 years are still not related to Obamacare.
How do you explain the increase?
Are you just blatantly ignoring my posts and asking the same question over and over? Premiums are not "increasing." The plans people can choose from are shrinking. The affordable plans are outlawed and only expensive plans are left. What part of that is unclear? Saying "my plan hasn't gone up much" is NOT the argument here. People who have insurance through their employer at NOT the issue. The issue is the people who buy their own. The Obama administration wanted those who don't have insurance to buy their own (forced to buy it.) They will be doing that through the private individual market. Before the ACA, affordable plans existed, and after the ACA, they do not. It's pretty simple.
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Apples and bowling balls my friend. Im willing to bet you get your insurance through your employer correct?
Like a majority of people who have insurance, that is correct.
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Are you just blatantly ignoring my posts and asking the same question over and over?
Not at all.
I'm interested in serious debate, not the bs blind blaming that OP posted.
ACA impacts (particularly the ones that you mentioned as driving the cost up) will take time to trickle down.

http://www.apha.org/advocacy/Health+...mplementation/
1. When do the different provisions of the ACA go into effect?
Many ACA provisions went into effect immediately or soon after the health reform law was enacted in 2010; others are being phased in over time. Several major reforms, including the Medicaid expansion, insurance exchanges, and minimum coverage provision (“individual mandate”) will go into effect in 2014, and still others will go into effect later. See below for links to implementation timelines.
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Like a majority of people who have insurance, that is correct.
The issue at hand is the individual market, not those who have their insurance from employers.
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Not at all.
I'm interested in serious debate, not the bs blind blaming that OP posted.
ACA impacts (particularly the ones that you mentioned as driving the cost up) will take time to trickle down.

http://www.apha.org/advocacy/Health+...mplementation/
1. When do the different provisions of the ACA go into effect?
Many ACA provisions went into effect immediately or soon after the health reform law was enacted in 2010; others are being phased in over time. Several major reforms, including the Medicaid expansion, insurance exchanges, and minimum coverage provision (“individual mandate”) will go into effect in 2014, and still others will go into effect later. See below for links to implementation timelines.
What you are seeing is preemptive on the parts of employers, doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies. They are cancelling their plans and dropping doctors in order to prepare for the ACA going in full swing.

Kelly explains it pretty well (with Obama video.)
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-ke...=2694949842001

The "acme" plan Obama talks about is the catastrophic plan, the plan that most uninsured would be getting...a lower cost plan that covers a healthy person just in case something happens. This is for college students, young adults, etc.
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