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Old 05-12-2015, 11:05 PM   #1
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Amtrak derailment in Philly

Being called a "mass casualty event"

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...303536331.html

Very sad. RIP to the lives lost
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:10 PM   #2
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5 dead is hardly a mass casualty event
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:46 PM   #3
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"Casualties" also include injured people. So right now I think it's more like 60 people.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:23 AM   #4
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If you line up a friggin dozen or more ambulances, I think that qualifies as mass casualties.

Looking at the first (admittedly crappy) photos, I'm surprised it only killed 5.
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Old 05-13-2015, 04:34 AM   #5
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I don't think we're done with the death toll yet. There are still people missing, and a number of those in the hospital are in critical condition.

I woke up to this news at 4am EDT, as I prepared to grab a 6am Acela (high speed) Amtrak train from DC to NYC (ie. this route). Looks like all service will be shut down for at least a couple of days, if not much longer.

I just rebooked onto a flight to Laguardia. Expect air travel prices on this route to spike as a ton of business travelers temporarily shift to planes.
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:03 AM   #6
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My initial guess without knowing but so much is the train was taking the curve too fast causing derailment but we'll have to wait and see what the investigation produces.

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The cause of the derailment was unknown, but Amtrak said it was investigating. The area where the derailment occurred is known as Frankford Junction and has a big curve.
This link has a bunch of photos: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/amtrak-...041931407.html
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That curve is crazy. Wasn't one of Obama's campaign pitches to fix the 100 year old train tracks in eastern PA to pave the way for high speed rail?

Up to 6 dead now, 150 hospitalized.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:00 AM   #8
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We kept a nice little townhouse in DC that used to belong to my brother from when he worked on the hill, a brief walk from Union Station... And we often stay there when we go East to visit. If we go to NYC from there, we frequently take the early Acela to Penn Station... Have for years. I know exactly where that happened. Crazy... Now My Beloved is all freaked out about it...
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always takes a tragedy to fix **** like this. our rail infrastructure sucks ass.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:12 AM   #10
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The infrastructure of this country is going to come and collect very soon....to 217s point, it isn't only our rail....in NY and NJ for instance, there are holes looking straight down to the water in bridges, rusted out I beams in overpasses, etc. This stuff will happen more and more often.
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That curve is crazy. Wasn't one of Obama's campaign pitches to fix the 100 year old train tracks in eastern PA to pave the way for high speed rail?

Up to 6 dead now, 150 hospitalized.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/09/lahood.rail/

http://m.lancasteronline.com/opinion....html?mode=jqm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ajM_story.htmlhttp://thehill.com/policy/transporta...portation-bill
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:23 AM   #12
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would be nice to stop spending money on pointless wars, foreign country reconstruction, and defense spending and instead hire thousands more engineers and construction workers to fix **** here!

upgrade air traffic control, which will allow planes to take the most efficient routes.
update and maintain bridges
redo the rail system, separate freight rail from commuter as much as possible. upgrade for high speed rail where it makes sense.
power grid.

all of these things would greatly benefit the country by improving the infrastructure while providing many high paying jobs. instead lets fvcking bitch about gay people marrying, smoking weed, and trying to deny people health care.
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would be nice to stop spending money on pointless wars, foreign country reconstruction, and defense spending and instead hire thousands more engineers and construction workers to fix **** here!

upgrade air traffic control, which will allow planes to take the most efficient routes.
update and maintain bridges
redo the rail system, separate freight rail from commuter as much as possible. upgrade for high speed rail where it makes sense.
power grid.

all of these things would greatly benefit the country by improving the infrastructure while providing many high paying jobs. instead lets fvcking bitch about gay people marrying, smoking weed, and trying to deny people health care.
Well, in the NY, NJ, CT, PA area, the bridges and tunnels have extremely high tolls, which are supposed to pay for maintenance (they don't) ....so I don't want to see any tax money going to those things until the entire MTA union is disbanded, but that's another thread. The George Washington bridge brings in more money on a daily basis than some countries entire GDP.
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A train derailment will more than likely happen in Milwaukee very soon. Just saw this on the news last night:

http://fox6now.com/2015/05/12/this-n...e-next-quebec/

All you need to do is look at the pictures. The steel support beams that hold up the tracks are corroded through. The beams should be ~1" thick, some are either completely corroded or are down to .3" thick.

The railroad company "inspects" them yearly. No fixes in the future are planned. Like 217 said, a tragedy is the only way to fix **** like this.
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If a keen-eyed citizen had a gun, he could have sniped the driver and shot the fuel lines to stop the train. This never would have happened.
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5 dead is hardly a mass casualty event
It is if there was a gun involved.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:40 PM   #18
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Part of the problem with our country's infrastructure is that we are forced to just fix an old dated system rather than start fresh with a blank canvas. Imagine if we had nothing but forest and plains from sea to shining sea and we could plan the most efficient cities, the most efficient transport systems, the most efficient shopping centers, etc. That would be the idea way to go.

Unfortunately we are stuck just mending and repairing outdated systems, outdated interstate arteries, outdated airports, outdated rail networks, outdated city infrastructures, etc. As others have said, I expect we'll see much more of these type of accidents in years to come.
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