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Old 11-05-2012, 09:05 AM   #41
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Explain please.
When you are running a calorie deficit constantly, the body looks elsewhere for energy. If you aren't lifting weights and/or not getting enough protein intake, then over time your lean muscle mass will be lost along with fat/water.

This still happens regardless, but you can definitely severely reduce the effects by incorporating heavy weightlifting / conditioning type workouts and eating a lot of good proteins.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:24 PM   #42
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Nick, I'm never going to let you off the hook for telling me to go running wearing a garbage bag and sweat pants to lose weight. Similarly, I'm not going to let that other guy off the hook for his low-sodium, high water intake "diet".

that's good if you're a fighter trying to make weight by drastic cutting in a short period of time ... but it is terrible for someone who wants to see longterm change
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When you are running a calorie deficit constantly, the body looks elsewhere for energy. If you aren't lifting weights and/or not getting enough protein intake, then over time your lean muscle mass will be lost along with fat/water.

This still happens regardless, but you can definitely severely reduce the effects by incorporating heavy weightlifting / conditioning type workouts and eating a lot of good proteins.
I can't agree much with "Any dude looking to lose fat should be lifting weights a minimum of 3 times a week, and eating their bodyweight in protein a day" at all.

If you want to lose fat, you don't need to lift at all, and eating your body weight in protein will probably gain negative results. If you want to lose fat, fix your diet, and go running.
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I can't agree much with "Any dude looking to lose fat should be lifting weights a minimum of 3 times a week, and eating their bodyweight in protein a day" at all.

If you want to lose fat, you don't need to lift at all, and eating your body weight in protein will probably gain negative results. If you want to lose fat, fix your diet, and go running.

For serious?
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Yes.

If I am completely missing something, please explain it to me. In a simpler way of saying it: cardio loses fat, lifting builds strength. Doing bicept curls and squats all day then eating the same and drinking protein wont make you lose fat.
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I can't agree much with "Any dude looking to lose fat should be lifting weights a minimum of 3 times a week, and eating their bodyweight in protein a day" at all.

If you want to lose fat, you don't need to lift at all, and eating your body weight in protein will probably gain negative results. If you want to lose fat, fix your diet, and go running.
That will result in loss of weight, but not necessarily in the form of fat only. I have lost tons of weight in the past following what you said, can't say everything I lost was fat.

You need to tear those muscles and reconstruct them while on a fat loss program in order to make sure the "net" loss will be in the form of fat only. And reconstruction requires a lot of protein.

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:21 PM   #47
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Yes.

If I am completely missing something, please explain it to me. In a simpler way of saying it: cardio loses fat, lifting builds strength. Doing bicept curls and squats all day then eating the same and drinking protein wont make you lose fat.
Actually "cardio" (I assume you mean aerobic type exercises) is a catabolic (muscle utilizing) form of exercise. There is a reason long distance runners look the way they do. Their "fast twitch" muscle fibers are either very underdeveloped or even long gone (responsible for short, intense bursts of strength, sprinters need them that's why they are ripped). Slow twitch endurance fibers are all that is left. The body only has so much glycogen stored in the muscles (from carbs) and over long duration exercise it is used up. The body is horribly inefficient at creating glycogen from fat stores, it utilizes muscle tissue much more effectively. Over time, it will take effect on body composition.

By consuming adequate high quality protein and carbs peri-workout, despite running an energy deficit, you are directing your body to utilize the protein and carbs to repair muscle tissue, and make up the "deficit" via body fat stores. Heavy intense weightlifting / conditioning / HIIT type exercises create an anabolic state in your body, and your insulin sensitivity skyrockets (a good thing). I would never personally recommend any aerobic type exercises with durations longer than 30 minutes for fat loss

Simple terms get you into confusion sometimes, but basically fat loss is achievable from diet alone, however it is not ideal as an athlete because you will also lose strength. Strength gaining = eating more calories than you burn combined with strength training and weight loss = eating less. If you want the majority of that weight loss to be fat, i highly suggest you eat the proper nutrient macros and strength train at the same time, while maintaining an overall calorie deficit.
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Simple terms get you into confusion sometimes.
I'm sorry. Obviously my simple mind can't get around my field knowledge. Know that you explained all this to me, hopefully my feebleness can be excused. You are the expert in this field and I really should listen to everything you say.
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I'm sorry. Obviously my simple mind can't get around my field knowledge. Know that you explained all this to me, hopefully my feebleness can be excused. You are the expert in this field and I really should listen to everything you say.
Why the sarcasm? He's really trying to be helpful and informative. You made a statement and asked for clarification as to why we disagreed. We're all here to learn from and share info with one another.

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He was referring to people in general?
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I'm sorry. Obviously my simple mind can't get around my field knowledge. Know that you explained all this to me, hopefully my feebleness can be excused. You are the expert in this field and I really should listen to everything you say.
believe me I'm far from an expert, but all that is based on legitimate studies/science. and in no way was what I said condescending, yet your answer is defensive and sarcastic. you also asked for an explanation.

what exactly is your point here? I'm thinking you don't have one
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believe me I'm far from an expert, but all that is based on legitimate studies/science. and in no way was what I said condescending, yet your answer is defensive and sarcastic. you also asked for an explanation.

what exactly is your point here? I'm thinking you don't have one
lol, he never had a point, just butt hurt about me talking sht about him.

Interesting read though. Most of that made sense, but there a few parts didn't seem quite right. From everything I've read(more from a biologist point of view than athlete's), yes, there are different muscle fibers that process energy differently and have different strengths and weaknesses, but you don't ever lose or gain any. You are born with all the various types of muscle fibers, but exercise will increase the diameter of specific muscle fiber types being that they are activated separately. The increased diameter and biomechanics inside them is where the additional strength comes from. So underdeveloped muscles, yes, but long gone, no. The other part was the simplified explanation of the types of fuel used by the muscle fibers. I'll have to look into that more.
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lol, he never had a point, just butt hurt about me talking sht about him.

Interesting read though. Most of that made sense, but there a few parts didn't seem quite right. From everything I've read(more from a biologist point of view than athlete's), yes, there are different muscle fibers that process energy differently and have different strengths and weaknesses, but you don't ever lose or gain any. You are born with all the various types of muscle fibers, but exercise will increase the diameter of specific muscle fiber types being that they are activated separately. The increased diameter and biomechanics inside them is where the additional strength comes from. So underdeveloped muscles, yes, but long gone, no. The other part was the simplified explanation of the types of fuel used by the muscle fibers. I'll have to look into that more.
The benefit I see from me typing stuff out and trying to be as detailed as possible (makes more long reads I know) is so that I can ingrain it in my own head. The setback to that is I may sound more confusing than a well thought out article haha.

What I meant by the "long gone" was me just exaggerating the effects of endurance type cardio on the fast twitch muscle fibers that we have all BUILT up with hard work. You are always genetically predisposed to what cards you are given, but through hard work you can still go beyond your "comfort zone". Building up muscle mass for 8 months and then cutting fat for 6 months without lifting any weight would severely impact the gains you realized in the 8 months... similar to a hardgainer struggling to gain mass, finally achieving it, then stopping eating a lot of calories. Both scenarios result in a significant loss of hard earned lean tissue!

I always seem to go into multiple paragraphs once I start typing, so I try and keep things simple... which leads to "holes" in what I'm saying that can easily be filled I think.
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